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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:31 am

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--- I'm afraid Sato needs to rethink about her SP layout. I don't think the 3A in the SP is helping her at all, at least not with Amano
around. I think a 3-3 combo is a better choice, because a UR combo is still worth more than a downgraded 3A. Also, I think it will help
her in the performance aspect because the 3A takes too much of her effort in the short.
I'm genuinely confused by this idea to be honest, and I've been seeing this suggestion a lot lately elsewhere as well. It's not about the score differential between a 3-3 and a 3A that needs to be addressed since the two fulfill different jump requirements in the SP. At least in the SP, a 3A will *always* have a higher payout than a 3-3, because a 3A will be in place of a 2A (if rotated, a 5.2 point boost; if UR'ed, 2.7). The point difference between a 3-3 vs. a 3-2 on the other hand, are:

3+3T vs. 3+2T (2.7 BV advantage if fully rotated, 1.5 if the 3T is UR'ed)
3+3Lo vs 3+2Lo (3.3 BV advantage if fully rotated, 1.8 if the 3Lo is UR'ed)

Since Amano is being mentioned, I will like to point out that he's just as likely of UR'ing or DG'ed a +3 regardless of whether it's a +3T or a +3Lo (see: Kanako's 3T-3T or Mao's 2A-3T). If Mao can work her 3+3s back to the ease and consistency she had on them during 05~early 08 then I can support this notion, but until then, the current SP jump layout is fine the way it is. The same goes for the FS. Well, from my point of view anyway. Sweatdrop

I see your point but I also think doing the 3A in the short does take a lot of toll from Mao. And most importantly, it can affect the rest of her performance if that jump doesn't go well. It does have a higher payoff if the 3A is the only jump she has issues on, but if her 3A is unsuccessful, she also risks her issues on her later combos. And this could be costly with a strict caller, as we've seen here. But if Mao attempts a 3-3. Even if she gets one jump downgraded, her next passes are a single triple jump and a double axel, which are less likely to be called. So in the worst case scenario, she still has two triples, whereas in present worst case scenario she is only left with one fully rotated triple.
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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:33 am

I hope my internet won't be this laggy by the time virtue/moir and davis/white skate.... pale
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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:34 am

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kaarolcia wrote:
Mao's LP, British Eurosport commentary Smile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5icvVbMEo10&p=1777E85DD1CFA17F

Thanks! As always, British guys are so nice.

I've heard people from abroad saying this quite a bit; I've obviously been living in the wrong Britian... Razz

I really can't see the logic behind Kanako's UR on her 3-3 (I can't remember the 3Lo, any insight?), or Mao's Downgrades... Really need to have a word with whoever decided Shin Amano was a good choice to be a technical specialist... Mad

I really don't mind whether Mao gets a new LP next season or not, I'm sure it'll be amazing either way; I just really hope she doesn't go to TAT for choreography for it or her SP (Love her, + great for an exhibition program, but please Mao, not for competitive ones...)
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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:35 am

welcome to the forum rose Cheering
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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:40 am

Does a technical specialist has some kind of course or qualification?
I mean - will an ex-skater who wasn't very talented to begin with - be able to identify such nuanced mistakes!
I mean who is Amano?
How come such a skater who really never left any impact in any competition gets to hold such an important job? I really want to know what kind of training they go through...?
This guy obviously does not know his job! He despises Japanese skaters with all his might for god knows what reason?!

And the judges? An acute case of 'Yuna-ism'!!
Frankly - they don't even question the << They are just waiting for the << signal to give Mao a big 0!

You hear skaters like Tara - Irina - Shizuka commentating on other skaters...
What they spot - at times judges don't see it - and what judges spot - often commentators don't agree -
Is it that the technical panel is dubious? Are the commentators all wrong about their experience? Are we simply blinded by our idol that we can't see the truth?
The answer is just too OBVIOUS!


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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:42 am

Hi, Rose! Glad you can join us! sunny
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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:44 am

I wonder if some of Maoís fans have sent hate mail to Shin Amano. It seems to me that he is being deliberately spiteful to Mao. There is no way her 3A and her 3T deserved to be << (downgraded). The guy needs to get fired for incompetence. I was under the impression that he was severe to all skaters. This time, it seems like he is singling certain skaters out. I mean, he didnít downgrade Carolinaís flip (SP). Something doesnít add up. Suspect Everyone in Japan should refuse to attend Nationals and boycott the idiot! I hope he gets struck by lightning. Twisted Evil

I am thrilled for Miki! Iím so glad she gets to bring back a medal. Congratulations to Taka-chan and Miki-chan! I am sure Mao will be happy for both of them.

Maoís has had a tough season. I hope that she gets to go to Hawaii again. She needs a break and fatten up a bit. We are all still pretty traumatized by the earthquake and nuclear disaster. For the longest time, I couldnít watch the news. I felt guilty about eating a nice warm meal knowing that the victims were in shelters cold and hungry. I wonder if Mao felt the same way and lost her appetite.

Yey! New members! Welcome to the forum Rachel and Rose! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:48 am

Sorry to put it here but it breaks my heart, Mao really looks sick and exhausted on this picture... No Really hope her team will take care of her.

Oh and welcome Rachel and Rose Woot!


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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:48 am

Oh Spacey!
How I hope - Mao gets back to Japan and does what she is doing in your avatar! Very Happy

I seriously got pale when I heard Mao going that weak!
She is such a fan of good food! Sad
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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:50 am

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I wonder if some of Maoís fans have sent hate mail to Shin Amano. It seems to me that he is being deliberately spiteful to Mao. There is no way her 3A and her 3T deserved to be << (downgraded). The guy needs to get fired for incompetence. I was under the impression that he was severe to all skaters. This time, it seems like he is singling certain skaters out. I mean, he didnít downgrade Carolinaís flip (SP). Something doesnít add up. Suspect Everyone in Japan should refuse to attend Nationals and boycott the idiot! I hope he gets struck by lightning. Twisted Evil

I am thrilled for Miki! Iím so glad she gets to bring back a medal. Congratulations to Taka-chan and Miki-chan! I am sure Mao will be happy for both of them.

Maoís has had a tough season. I hope that she gets to go to Hawaii again. She needs a break and fatten up a bit. We are all still pretty traumatized by the earthquake and nuclear disaster. For the longest time, I couldnít watch the news. I felt guilty about eating a nice warm meal knowing that the victims were in shelters cold and hungry. I wonder if Mao felt the same way and lost her appetite.

Yey! New members! Welcome to the forum Rachel and Rose! cheers

What's his e-mail? I'll gladly send him one. Is he jealous of Mao or something? I just looked at his "accomplishments". Mao is something else BY FAR. Maybe he doesn't like Machiko Yamada students. Remember Mao, Kanako, and the legendary Midori?
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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:53 am

Hi ballerinamao, maowataiyo, and Spacey. Thank you for warm welcome!

My english not that good, but I try to in forum because I love Mao and want to talk with everybody. She is the best.
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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:01 am

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Sorry to put it here but it breaks my heart, Mao really looks sick and exhausted on this picture... No Really hope her team will take care of her.

Oh and welcome Rachel and Rose Woot!

Her arabesque is stunning . Almost perfect turn out Wub
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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:04 am

last group!!...^_^
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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:06 am

Lady_in_black wrote:
The quite mediocre skater Shin Amano, if he could, he probably would have given to Mao's 3A, 3A<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<.
Rachel wrote:
aoi88 wrote:
kaarolcia wrote:
Mao's LP, British Eurosport commentary Smile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5icvVbMEo10&p=1777E85DD1CFA17F

Thanks! As always, British guys are so nice.

I've heard people from abroad saying this quite a bit; I've obviously been living in the wrong Britian... Razz

Laugh Those comments made my day.

Anyway, I stopped caring about the jumps, scores, and medals as soon as I heard about the emotional toll Mao has been going through lately. All I wanted was for her to try to enjoy herself out there, without worrying about anything else. She was able to fight through it (what a fighter), so I'm really proud of her. Lesser people would have given up. Now all I want is for her to eat lots and get a lot of rest.

Though I feel horrible for Kanako. I hope she wasn't extremely discouraged at her first Worlds ever Sad What is up with Amano!? I'm glad to hear that people have been complaining, and I hope more people do so. It sucks that there's no accountability, even with the judges' scores - nothing will happen to that judge who gave Yu-Na a +1 on her lutz for instance.

Oh and welcome Rose and to all our new members!! Very Happy


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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:06 am

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last group!!...^_^

I'm so disappointed Tessa is not wearing that pink and orange dress from 4CC... it was just so over the top, it looked fantastic. This golden one is nice too, but I don't... I feel like it's too short and this takes away from the hot latino mood.

Love this last group... gonna be very exciting!
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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:21 am

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What's his e-mail? I'll gladly send him one.

Laughing I am not necesarily encouraging people to send him some hate mail (though he probably deserves it). Twisted Evil But I wonder if he received some hate mail after last year's World Championship. Perhaps, he is being vindictive. Suspect If so, he needs to get fired.
Rose, your English is fine. Besides, you get to practice here.


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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:22 am

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I wonder if some of Maoís fans have sent hate mail to Shin Amano. It seems to me that he is being deliberately spiteful to Mao. There is no way her 3A and her 3T deserved to be << (downgraded). The guy needs to get fired for incompetence. I was under the impression that he was severe to all skaters. This time, it seems like he is singling certain skaters out. I mean, he didnít downgrade Carolinaís flip (SP). Something doesnít add up. Suspect Everyone in Japan should refuse to attend Nationals and boycott the idiot! I hope he gets struck by lightning. Twisted Evil

I am thrilled for Miki! Iím so glad she gets to bring back a medal. Congratulations to Taka-chan and Miki-chan! I am sure Mao will be happy for both of them.

Maoís has had a tough season. I hope that she gets to go to Hawaii again. She needs a break and fatten up a bit. We are all still pretty traumatized by the earthquake and nuclear disaster. For the longest time, I couldnít watch the news. I felt guilty about eating a nice warm meal knowing that the victims were in shelters cold and hungry. I wonder if Mao felt the same way and lost her appetite.

Yey! New members! Welcome to the forum Rachel and Rose! cheers

Thanks for the welcome. Very Happy

+ By the looks of things, that's exactly what Shin Amano wants them to do... Evil or Very Mad
Does the ISU have some kind of system for reviewing Tech Specialists? For example, if enough people complain about him, would they take some kind of action? If they don't have one, they really should...


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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:27 am

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I see your point but I also think doing the 3A in the short does take a lot of toll from Mao. And most importantly, it can affect the rest of her performance if that jump doesn't go well. It does have a higher payoff if the 3A is the only jump she has issues on, but if her 3A is unsuccessful, she also risks her issues on her later combos. And this could be costly with a strict caller, as we've seen here. But if Mao attempts a 3-3. Even if she gets one jump downgraded, her next passes are a single triple jump and a double axel, which are less likely to be called. So in the worst case scenario, she still has two triples, whereas in present worst case scenario she is only left with one fully rotated triple.
A 3-3 in the SP can have just as much of a toll, however. Too many people are forgetting how Mao struggled with consistency on Fantasia and Clair de Lune when missing the 3-3 combination will have a negative effect on the remainder of the program. Just singling out the 3A as being the problem is not really fair. I'm not going to comment on the worst case scenario that you presented as it's completely speculative. Oh well, I guess this is something we have to agree to disagree on. Yep!

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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:29 am

GO Miki. I really hope Mao can have a good rest after this season. She deserved it. I never know that the tsunami really affected Mao that much. Mao need to eat more again. Hope Team Sato can really help Mao out. Mao should go out of the country. Mao need to gain back some weight and be the old Mao again.
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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:31 am

OMG!! The Shibs will be on the podium!!
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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:34 am

Go Shibutani's. First worlds and already a medal. Fantastic!
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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:35 am

Morozombie's commentary on the Ladies FS and his views of the judging.

http://morozombie.blogspot.com/2011/04/2011-worlds-ladies-lp-recap.html#more

I completely agree with him on Mao's marks and the placement of Lenova!
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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:39 am

So cute Scott... just after seeing their scores, he noticed Alex and Maia were in second
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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:44 am

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So cute Scott... just after seeing their scores, he noticed Alex and Maia were in second

I thought it was cute too Smile
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PostSubject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers   Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:47 am

chiyori wrote:
FatiniAdlina wrote:
last group!!...^_^

I'm so disappointed Tessa is not wearing that pink and orange dress from 4CC... it was just so over the top, it looked fantastic. This golden one is nice too, but I don't... I feel like it's too short and this takes away from the hot latino mood.

Love this last group... gonna be very exciting!

I was hoping for the pink dress too....They did great...Unfortunately I wasn't able to watch it as whole because the stream kept freezing....Holding my breath for the scores...

1 Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE
USA
185.27
2 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR
CAN
181.79
3 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI
USA
163.79

Was really hoping Virtue/Moir...T.T....Well, Davis/White were great too so I'm not surprised
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