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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:01 am

Caro scored 70 points for her SP with 3Lo, 3T+2T and 2A, level 4 for her step sequence with +2.10 GOE and a 10.00 for IN!! Obviously an inflated score, but her program has been amazing! cheers She will have the FS today in 90 minutes, plus or less...
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:18 am

That's a very high score for just a 3T+2T combo. But then that SP is really wonderful. I hope to see a video of it soon. Are there protocols out for the SP also?
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:43 am

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That's a very high score for just a 3T+2T combo. But then that SP is really wonderful. I hope to see a video of it soon. Are there protocols out for the SP also?
Yes, you can find the protocols here: http://application.fisg.it/results/2905/index.html level 3 in the layback (as usually) and in the CCoSp (she had a shaky entrance), +2 for the loop and the 2A and +1 for the combo... Now, she's on the ice for the FS warm-up (http://www.idealweb.tv/live/)!
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:08 am

I only saw the second part of the program and what I saw looked good. What did she land?
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:27 am

FS Score: 143.56
TES: 66.92
PCS: 76.64

Did she skate clean? The PCS is off the charts, though -- way higher than Yuna's Oly FS PCS.
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:34 am

roma wrote:
FS Score: 143.56
TES: 66.92
PCS: 76.64

Did she skate clean? The PCS is off the charts, though -- way higher than Yuna's Oly FS PCS.

According to the protocol, she landed 6 clean triples, including a clean 3Lz. We can add her in the mix for the gold medal at worlds cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:38 am

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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:39 am

oooh my girl carolina finally got her lutz back? Confetti
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:52 am

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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:53 am

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oooh my girl carolina finally got her lutz back? Confetti

Yes she did Rockstar : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUR9pBrGIIE
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:23 am



I have started to like Kostner's skating! Her two programs are amazing. She managed to make Bolero interesting, which is almost impossible to do if you're not Torvill and Dean.
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:52 am

when i first learned she will be competing with bolero, i thought oh no why such an overused piece of music there's no way it's going to be amazing! but carolina proved me wrong and i'm so glad she did! personally, i think carolina has the strongest two programs in competition this season. i hope that lori can choreograph something amazing for mao next season like she did for carolina this season instead of holding mao back.
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:55 am

Don't want to sound mean or anything to Lori, but I think these programs come more from Carolina herself not Lori. I think it was her ideas and I'm almost sure she participated in choreographing them, a lot.
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:39 pm

polosatik wrote:
Don't want to sound mean or anything to Lori, but I think these programs come more from Carolina herself not Lori. I think it was her ideas and I'm almost sure she participated in choreographing them, a lot.

I don't know how the program creating process looked for Caro and Lori this season, but the moment I saw Caro's SP, I knew it was Lori's work. Smile The music is (mostly) from the CD "Devil Dance" by Gil Shaham, it's one of Lori's favorite CDs. She used music from it for Mirai, the Zhangs, Mira Leung and now Caro (and probably some less known skaters I forgot about now).

Here is Mira Leung's SP from Canadian Nationals 2009: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_aL594Apmc
This program really stuck in my memory. I thought the choreo was great, especially the intro, the part starting from 1:30 and the step sequence. Sadly, at that time Mira was in the Canadian judges' bad books because of the conflict between her mum and the federation (and Mira's awful jumping technique caused by training without coach and while wearing a heavy safety helmet). By the time Mira tried to make some changes to her skating, it was too late. Sad

As for Caro's LP, it seems to me that it was inspired by Bejart's modern ballet set to "Bolero". Here's my favorite performance by Maya Plisetskaya: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4By8410RjZM
Perhaps we'll learn more about the genesis of the program later in the season. Smile


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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:58 pm

Although I am not a Caro-fan but WOW! I fell in-love to her Bolero. I really enjoy watching her. It has a lot more potential than Yuna's Les Miserables. I must say that this is one of my favorite programs for this season (including Mao's swan lake).

Caro's jumps have great height. I hope Mao can do better on this.
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:46 pm

Carolina competed in the Challenge Cup and scored 72.81 in the SP and 126.09 in the FS.

Protocols:
http://kunstrijden.knsb.nl/2012-2013/20130221/TheH210213_SeniorLadies_SP_Scores.pdf
http://kunstrijden.knsb.nl/2012-2013/20130221/TheH210213_SeniorLadies_FS_Scores.pdf

SP: 3Lo, 3T+3T, 2A
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVZ5QumnSpk
FS: 3Lz (+1.58 GOE), 1A, 3F+3T<, 1Lo, 3T+2T, 3S+2T, 3S
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHmKOhVe_-s

It's interesting to note she's also won all of her competitions so far and that like Mao she's already skated her SP clean (except Euros). The FS hasn't been skated to its full potential yet. Well, there's ITA nats but she didn't have her 3F+3T there. She only did a 3F+2T but it was a perfect skate. This time even if the skate ain't perfect she attempted a 3F+3T.

Worlds will be very exciting.


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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:16 pm

roma wrote:
Carolina competed in the Challenge Cup and scored 72.81 in the SP and 126.09 in the FS.

Protocols:
http://kunstrijden.knsb.nl/2012-2013/20130221/TheH210213_SeniorLadies_SP_Scores.pdf
http://kunstrijden.knsb.nl/2012-2013/20130221/TheH210213_SeniorLadies_FS_Scores.pdf

SP: 3Lo, 3T+3T, 2A
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVZ5QumnSpk
FS: 3Lz (+1.58 GOE), 1A, 3F+3T<, 1Lo, 3T+2T, 3S+2T, 3S
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHmKOhVe_-s

It's interesting to note she's also won all of her competitions so far and that like Mao she's already skated it clean (except Euros). The FS hasn't been skated to its full potential yet. Well, there's ITA nats but she didn't have her 3F+3T there. She only did a 3F+2T but it was a perfect skate. This time even if the skate ain't perfect she attempted a 3F+3T.

Worlds will be very exciting.

And she really is a beautiful and feminine jumper, like Mao.
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:28 pm

roma wrote:
Carolina competed in the Challenge Cup and scored 72.81 in the SP and 126.09 in the FS.

SP: 3Lo, 3T+3T, 2A
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVZ5QumnSpk
FS: 3Lz (+1.58 GOE), 1A, 3F+3T<, 1Lo, 3T+2T, 3S+2T, 3S
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHmKOhVe_-s


Worlds will be very exciting.

Thanks for the video, roma! It's a good idea for Caro to change back to the purple dress in the SP. I think the (white-red) one she wore at Euro is not as good as this purple one! Having watching Caro live during last World, I really admire her for challenging the 3Lz to make the full set of jumps. At the moment, I'd think Caro and Mao are the only two contenders who can actually challenge the championship this year!
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:23 pm

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roma wrote:
Carolina competed in the Challenge Cup and scored 72.81 in the SP and 126.09 in the FS.

SP: 3Lo, 3T+3T, 2A
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVZ5QumnSpk
FS: 3Lz (+1.58 GOE), 1A, 3F+3T<, 1Lo, 3T+2T, 3S+2T, 3S
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHmKOhVe_-s


Worlds will be very exciting.

Thanks for the video, roma! It's a good idea for Caro to change back to the purple dress in the SP. I think the (white-red) one she wore at Euro is not as good as this purple one! Having watching Caro live during last World, I really admire her for challenging the 3Lz to make the full set of jumps. At the moment, I'd think Caro and Mao are the only two contenders who can actually challenge the championship this year!

well, we can't count yu-na out! Wink

i'm so proud of carolina. she really has a great set of programs this season. it's hard to count on her to do a clean long program but i still have faith in her. i want her on that podium for the world championships! she gets a < for that triple toe but i already know that her jumps are so huge so that's not a big deal at all! she just needs to focus!

i think that while carolina isn't labeled as the most graceful on the ice, i do think she's still incredibly artistic. she does none of that snobby, artificial, popular kind of stuff. she skates with a message of deep meaning. quite possibly the most profound skater i've ever seen which i prefer over that dramatic stuff easy to get stuff. the sport really needs more abstract kinds of programs on the ice.
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:06 pm

swan wrote:
COHK wrote:
roma wrote:
Carolina competed in the Challenge Cup and scored 72.81 in the SP and 126.09 in the FS.

SP: 3Lo, 3T+3T, 2A
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVZ5QumnSpk
FS: 3Lz (+1.58 GOE), 1A, 3F+3T<, 1Lo, 3T+2T, 3S+2T, 3S
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHmKOhVe_-s


Worlds will be very exciting.

Thanks for the video, roma! It's a good idea for Caro to change back to the purple dress in the SP. I think the (white-red) one she wore at Euro is not as good as this purple one! Having watching Caro live during last World, I really admire her for challenging the 3Lz to make the full set of jumps. At the moment, I'd think Caro and Mao are the only two contenders who can actually challenge the championship this year!

well, we can't count yu-na out! Wink

i'm so proud of carolina. she really has a great set of programs this season. it's hard to count on her to do a clean long program but i still have faith in her. i want her on that podium for the world championships! she gets a < for that triple toe but i already know that her jumps are so huge so that's not a big deal at all! she just needs to focus!

i think that while carolina isn't labeled as the most graceful on the ice, i do think she's still incredibly artistic. she does none of that snobby, artificial, popular kind of stuff. she skates with a message of deep meaning. quite possibly the most profound skater i've ever seen which i prefer over that dramatic stuff easy to get stuff. the sport really needs more abstract kinds of programs on the ice.

Can you imagine if Mao, Caro, and Yuna end up on the podium (in that order), it wil be a repeat of Worlds 2008. Talk about coming full circle. flower
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:03 pm

Carolina modified her Sherezade program and it looks a lot better,  Thumbs up!  Love Hearts .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cIoOnHw31g

although I don´t know her intentions, because it last as 3min 20 sec, and few jumps, may be she modified it to be only ex program  Sad 
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:05 pm

chapis wrote:
Carolina modified her Sherezade program and it looks a lot better,  Thumbs up!  Love Hearts .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cIoOnHw31g

although I don´t know her intentions, because it last as 3min 20 sec, and few jumps, may be she modified it to be only ex program  Sad 

Thank you Chapis, that dress combined with the choreography is a killer. I hope she'll be a challenger in Sochi.
British Eurosport broadcast the Oberstdorf? I think it's just an exhibition show.

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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:08 am

chapis wrote:
Carolina modified her Sherezade program and it looks a lot better,  Thumbs up!  Love Hearts .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cIoOnHw31g

although I don´t know her intentions, because it last as 3min 20 sec, and few jumps, may be she modified it to be only ex program  Sad 

Wow...girl better bring it in Sochi, because that performance just prove why Caro is one of the top 3. Her interpretation, speed, spirals, spins and jumps (when done right) is far better than Yuna to me. It's her inconsistency and weak jumps layouts that hurts her overall package.  

I'm sending out a prayer for her (and Mao) to bring 110% in Sochi.   Worship
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:16 am

That was quite something  Very Happy . Incredible improvement in terms of choreography since her last appearance.

I've always preferred Mao and Yuna over Caro, but I honestly think that technically she is the most complete of the three. Just as shar has said, her problem is her inconsistency, but her jumps are one of the best, not to talk about her skating skills. I think that sometimes people confuse good technique with consistency or jumping ability/easiness. Caro is not consistent with her triple-triples recently because of her age (not saying she's old but obviously jumping becomes more difficult with age) but not because her technique is inferior to Yuna's. Thinking about Caro's jumps, they are all great: her double axel is really beautiful with great flow and speed, toe loop fine, loop very good, salchow one of the best, the same for the flip and the lutz, as she proved last season, is among the very very best. Spins are not extraordinary, but spiral sequences are decent and steps sequences (when the choreography is adequate to her type of skating) are gorgeous IMO.

I wish her the best in Sochi. I hope she can get a medal, she deserves it after so many years of good skating  Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Carolina Kostner   Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:47 am

Mao is and always will be my favorite skater  Yep!  , but if she don´t get the olympic gold medal I hope Caro and Akiko get silver and bronze because I think they would be so happy with those medals, may be Mao too but not so much like them  Laughing .
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