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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:42 am

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/winter/news/20090315-OYT1T00100.htm

I am really mad to read this news!!! affraid
If you dont want to talk about it, just ignore it please... but it really made me upset since I like all Miki, Yukari, Fumie, and MAO!!!
and why does this kind of news appear this time of the year? scratch
I just need to say that those Japanese ladies would never ever do this kind of thing for purpose!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:43 am

What is it about????
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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:45 am

I agree with you, coconut.
I feel very angry about the Korean TV and also I am very disappointed Yuna's comment

I am very disgusted, but I think all I can do is supporting Mao Depressed Crying

Mao, hope you can do your best at the Championship.

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SoMiTripleAxel,

sorry if my English is poor but it is about Korean TV reported that Yuna is troubled which some skaters always interfere with her jump at 6-minutes practice. They mean some skaters are Japanese skaters.


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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:48 am

What a piece of bull. Evil or Very Mad

I've seen the Korean news clip on Youtube. They used the clip from Skate America, where Yukari has run into YuNa's path once (they blurred out Yukari, so she was not recognizable). It was clearly an accident, as both YuNa and Yukari weren't looking where they are going.

This happens all the time, and often it doesn't end up with skaters just being startled or forced to abort a jump. Miki's and Fumie's collision nearly forced Miki to pull out of Nationals.

As for 4CC, a LOT of practice clips were available on YT and I din't see anything suspicious. The Japanese skaters looked a bit off (especially Nobu, who hept colliding with boards and nearly crashed into Takahiko and some other guy while falling), but it was pretty clear that they are not used to the smaller rink size and all the wonky moments happended close to the boards.

And why didn't they show the clip when YuNa cut into Mao's path as she was attempting to jump a 3A? Who, me?

I think Korean press would be satisfied only if all the other skaters just kneeled in one part of the rink, chanting "Be praised almighty Queen YuNa!" and swoon at every completed jump. Disappointed
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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:09 am

I think she was also talking about this accident with Miki http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wrv__FxMs8 I think Yu-Na is wrong, I don't see anything dangerous here Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:08 am

Somebody posted the whole clip of Miki/YuNa incident:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH98x6Bro6c
Guess whose music was playing, and who therefore should be given priority... study
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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:26 am

Wow, now i don't get anything. What Yu-na was talking about?
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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:30 am

This comment from Yuna is so rude. It seems that she's mentioning that if this kind of problem happens again, she'll officially complain.
Like some you mentioned, ithis happens quite often: what about Yuna and Meissner almost bumping into each other during skate america ?
And what about her entering the ice too early after Mao's performance in GPF/FS ? (Mao just finished her performance and was saluting the crowd). And what about Yuna practising in the middle of the rink while someone else's music was on during an official training ?
I recall she mentioned that 'Mao was her friend'. Is this what you do to your friend ?
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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:38 am

Oh~no....I was double shocked after watching the whole clip which Oscilla mentioned.

When Miki's music had begun to play, Yuna was absentminded? I don't think she didn't know the rule.

I hope that people except Japanese and Korean leave the comments and talk about the news of this Korean TV because two countries don't stop quarreling on Youtube....I know it is imposiible.

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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:51 am

Are they just trying to give the Japanese skaters mental problems or something? I hope it won't affect them at worlds. Why didn't they do this right after 4CC? It's like a month ago... :S
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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:33 am

I bet Kim is feeling a lot of pressure. That explains everything..
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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:48 am

ddmm wrote:
I bet Kim is feeling a lot of pressure. That explains everything..

yeah, I think this is one explanation. Worlds are coming and all eyes are focused on her, she is the overall favorite for worlds and the olympics 2010. So I guess she really feels that pressure and gets nervous more easily.

However I think her behavior is exaggerated. Such incidents during practice happen all the time, she's not the only one who crashes with other skaters.
Furthermore it can be clearly seen that it wasn't Mikis fault, neither Yukaris.
Both were skating to their music, hence they were the ones with primacy on the ice..
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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:08 am

All this looks so sick, I lose my cool head every time I start to write something about it.
Excuse me, but this is not some another Revelation Video about how a poor and mistreated by judges skater Kim still stands over a cheater Mao and other fellow competitors, posted on YouTube by some pitiful moron. It's an accusation that comes from the major nationwide media outlet! pale And not about some mere 'jump cheating' (like they did it before), but practically about a physical threat that Kim undergoes from the side of some Japanese skaters during the warm-ups. pale
Excuse me, but this is simply abnormal! It goes beyond any ethics, beyond any reason! And Kim herself was happy to put a signature under all that (look at her face while she's lying, so that to take some pressure off her shoulders, as well as for the sake of her personal hero-of-the-nation image, during that interview). What if tomorrow some Korean fan will try to stab Mao with a knife because Mao apparently tries to harm their beloved textbook perfect queen? What if Mao starts to receive death threats? Have you ever received a death threat? How you think it will affect her competitive/daily psyche?
As for Kim herself, all this takes a big deal of pressure off her shoulders of course. Now, when she's ~alone~ ready to face those malicious Japanese in the upcoming battle, if she doesn't get the gold under such circumstances, who will say a bad word about her? It's a very comfortable position - to compete in the status of a victim (which she now enjoys to have in the eyes of her whole homeland), who is already a hero no matter of the result.
(And oh, she's is not scared! "So I need to find the ways to fend off their attacks." Fumie won't be that easy to fend off, Yu-na, don't get too confident about yourself!)
I've lived in China for almost 5 months already, and this helps a big deal to understand the issue from the sociological and cultural standpoint. A lot of people here (not only Chinese) have... very mixed feelings towards the modern Korean society with their fanatical, twisted obsession over the national idea. But this situation with Kim and SBS... it still leaves me absolutely shocked. pale
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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:17 am

Oh geeze...what is SBS's problem? Panic! I guess this is going to come one-sided (since I am half Japanese, after all), but that station in particular sure loves to fan things up and make Japan seems like "the" enemy at all costs! I've been following the World Baseball Classic as well and news clips of SBS reporting the Japanese team being "unprepared" and "unimpressive even with their Major League players like Ichiro and Matsuzaka" among other things is just mind-boggling in its blatant bias...and whopeedoo, Korea is against Japan again on the 17th, so I can't wait to see what insults SBS has in store this time around! Who, me?

summervie - IIRC, national polls in China seem to show that the general populace seem to be more uncomfortable about diplomatic relations with South Korea more than Japan - something I found very interesting, given our history and past events like WWII.

Time to remind myself that the fault is with SBS, and not the average person from Korea...not to mention I have a few friends who are Korean anyway. Their constant portrayal of Yu-Na as the sweet and innocent victim is really starting to bug me, though. Sweatdrop And if anything, I'm very disappointed at Yu-Na, her team AND Orser for not denying these accusations and instead playing along with SBS's blame game. No
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On a brighter note, congrats Mao! The students shown together with Mao on her latest message are the younger members in Chukyo High's FS club. Mao is also thanking her teachers who were kind enough to visit the skating rink and give their lectures/classes for her there. Swoon

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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:21 am

A Japanese TV clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wELIYBjXboM

At the end they say that at the 2005 GPF Yu-Na had written in her blog that she wanted Mao to fall and that she didn't think that she would win... :S

I don't really know what to say about that... I hope Mao and the other Japanese won't be affected by all of this. *Irritated and mad*


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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:26 am

SoMiTripleAxel wrote:
A Japanese TV clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wELIYBjXboM

At the end they say that at the 2005 GPF Yu-Na had written in her blog that she wanted Mao to fall and that she didn't think that she would win... :S

I don't really know what to say about that... I hope Mao and the other Japanese won't be affected by all of this. *Irritated and mad*
Sometimes I'm not sure what the heck is going on. Sweatdrop I watched the clip an hour ago to my absolute horror and indignation; another second I'm hearing that Yu-Na's agents are actually saying that what's being said in "some sources" are blown way out of proportion. Well, the Korea media sure is succeeding in bringing some attention to Yu-Na, so on that note I'm going to try and veer this thread back to Mao, good sirs and kind missus! Wink


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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:07 am

What? Poor Yu-Na again...how surprising Rolling Eyes

Sorry, but I really don't get it. Is everybody completely blind?
It seems no matter what happens she is always the victim. Some evil skaters are deliberately getting in her way during warmups...poor Yu-Na. No, it's the media that took everything she said completely out of context to create sensation...poor Yu-Na again.

Sure, the media can't be trusted but she did say what she said being perfectly aware she was being filmed. She should also be aware that what she said was not very respectful to the skaters that happened to be in the same warmup group with her (even though she didn't name them).
Ok, so next time she "won't hold back if someone deliberately gets in her way". Great, why doesn't she just do it without talking about it on TV?

I also don't understand why it should be taken more seriously just because Orser made complaints. After filing a complaint because a tech. specialist dared to call Yu-Na on her lip and underrotation at CoC and after picking apart Miki's jumps (on TV again, of course) I'd be quite surprised if he for once didn't complain and actually be the "class act" so many people consider him to be.

I can still enjoy Yu-Na's skaing but this kind of behaviour just makes me Rolling Eyes and happy I'm a Mao fan! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:52 am

kawaiimao wrote:

Sure, the media can't be trusted but she did say what she said being perfectly aware she was being filmed.
This is exactly the most disturbing part. She knows that these situations happen all the time, she knows that some of these situations happened because of her fault, she's perfectly aware that there's no conspiracy against her from Japanese skaters. And still, she says all that. She lies. She fuels all that miserable hate, as if there was a lack of it without her. She acts meanly and without any dignity, directing the hate of the whole nation (and Korean hate, this is not the thing you'd like to joke with) towards her main competitors.
If there is an excuse for her in this, please sound it. I really wonder what here could have been taken out of what context.
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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:50 pm

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Time to remind myself that the fault is with SBS, and not the average person from Korea...not to mention I have a few friends who are Korean anyway.
You know, my best friend is Korean. And - you won't believe - she loves figure skating and Yu-na.
When I told her for the first time that my favourite skater is Mao, the first thing she said was: "But have you seen how she jums?" Rolling Eyes I've spent an hour trying to explain/prove to her that Mao actually jumps triple axel from time to time, because she's taught (by the media and the whole Korean fan-base) that Mao cheats her 3A. All the time! I.e., as I understood, all Korean fans who do not visit any international boards/forums think that way. Neutral And, alas, not only that.
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She's also revealed to me that on those boards there are a lot of people who hate Mao to the level of sickness. What should they 'feel' now, I don't (want to) know. Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:21 pm

summervie wrote:
You know, my best friend is Korean. And - you won't believe - she loves figure skating and Yu-na.
When I told her for the first time that my favourite skater is Mao, the first thing she said was: "But have you seen how she jums?" Rolling Eyes I've spent an hour trying to explain/prove to her that Mao actually jumps triple axel from time to time, because she's taught (by the media and the whole Korean fan-base) that Mao cheats her 3A. All the time! I.e., as I understood, all Korean fans who do not visit any international boards/forums think that way. Neutral And, alas, not only that.
P.s.
She's also revealed to me that on those boards there are a lot of people who hate Mao to the level of sickness. What should they 'feel' now, I don't (want to) know. Neutral

Sadly, that's so true.
It's no secret. Korean Yuna Kim fans and almost every Korean media are always desparately seeking oppotunities to speak ill of Japanese skaters especially Mao.
Yuna Kim is the first world class skater Korea has ever produced and I understand Korean people's excitement but I'm afriad things have gone totally insane.

Korea's SBS TV which covers Yuna Kim's ISU events exclusively in Korea has been constantly reporting negative stuffs about Mao throughout the whole season. The stuff is so childish and disgusting that I can't describe them all here.

They followed Mao to France to cover TEB and all they had to say was how bad Mao was compared to Yuna at SA.
They even counted the number of stuffed animals Mao got after the performance and compared it to the number of Yuna Kim's stuffed animals at SA and related that to Yuna's internationally superior popularity. (Talk about inferiority)

SBS even refused to air medal ceremony when Mao won the GPF in Korea last December. SBS is Korea's network TV. Can you believe that?

And now Kim's interview. Bad idea! SBS and other Korean media keep giving distorted reports about Kim and her rivals because they don't get any bad feedback from people. This is scary.

But I think it's somehow good thing because Japanese media and general fans and the Japanese federation will now get the idea of the seriousness of Korean media's malice towards Japanese skaters especially Mao. They should protect their skaters.
And I personally think Yuna Kim doesn't deserve any respect from Mao fans any more.
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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:27 pm

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summervie - IIRC, national polls in China seem to show that the general populace seem to be more uncomfortable about diplomatic relations with South Korea more than Japan - something I found very interesting, given our history and past events like WWII.

That is interesting. Shocked But I am not surprised. All of the East Asian countries seem to dislike/look down upon the others for one reason or another, and my impression from at least one Korean drama is that the Koreans look down upon the Chinese...but I am not an expert on East Asian relations, so don't quote me on that. Sweatdrop

My friends from China do tell me that Mao Asada does seem to be more popular in China though! They've actually heard of her, and apparently her picture is on some web portals, and there's a forum or something dedicated to Mao. Cheering Just wait till China gets some top-ranked skaters, and then we'll see how they feel though... Very Happy

I think all the indignation toward SBS has already been expressed in this thread. I wish my Korean was better so that I could understand what Yu-Na said myself, but I fully expect that the Korean media blew things out of proportion. This just makes me sad, because it gives both the Korean and the Japanese media a free pass to bash the other side. Sigghhh... No

summervie - I don't want to be paranoid but yes, I do sometimes worry that some fanatic Korean or Japanese fans will do something crazy. I really hope not though. But honestly, I am glad that there will be strict security (metal detectors) at Worlds.

If there's one positive thing to be said - I will say that I am sure that Mao Asada would never say something like this. She would never complain about another competitor, or about the conditions (ie the rink was too small) - she will only say "My condition was bad," and she will only blame herself. She doesn't make excuses, and that is why I think Mao Asada is not only a fabulous skater, but also an amazing person. Thumbs up!

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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:38 pm

Batsuchan wrote:
I will say that I am sure that Mao Asada would never say something like this. She would never complain about another competitor, or about the conditions (ie the rink was too small) - she will only say "My condition was bad," and she will only blame herself.
I can't agree more!!

Batsuchan wrote:
She doesn't make excuses, and that is why I think Mao Asada is not only a fabulous skater, but also an amazing person. Thumbs up!.
And that makes Mao happier person! sunny
All those complaining, habit of making excuses and hating will eventually destroy themselves. There's something called justice in this world.
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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:06 am

*sigh* yuna was (to a certain extent) probably quoted out of context and manipulated by the media in this incident. Neutral

I agree with what Batsuchan said: both the Korean and the Japanese media would have a free pass to bash the other side. The Japanese media, from what I've heard, had always been pretty positive and complimentary to Yuna (well, until now). I hope that people from all sides would exercise restraint and keep the level of "destruction" to the minimum level. (I really dislike the way SOME of Mao's supporters and Yuna's supporters lash out at each other on the internet, particularly on forums and YT.)

After all, no one really benefits from this issue. Now all eyes would be on the practice sessions at the Worlds, nit picking at every move that Japanese and Korean skaters make on the ice. Coincidental and unintentional movements might be misinterpreted as displays of hostility or threats. Skaters already have enough on their shoulders as it is. Instead of focusing on what they need to prepare for the competition, they have to worry (more than before) about not being anywhere near their main competitors in case someone from the other party condemns them for conspiracy...

On a brighter note, congrats to Mao on graduating from her high school!! It's such a blessing to have your teacher willing to come to your rink and teach you there~~ cheers

I think CCTV (China's biggest tv network) broadcasted Mao's performances in her past competitions before. The commentator was pretty complimentary to her performances. I watched their coverage for 4CC and the commentator recognized Mao's effort for not giving up and putting out her best in the FS after a tentative SP, especially when her marks were so far behind. She was also quite appreciative of her take on such a difficult FS.

Just a rough translation of what the commentator said after Mao finished her skate: "It is not easy, even for a senior male skater to perform this FS, which contains such a high level of difficulty. How could one not admire Mao asada; a girl who is merely 18 years old, when she is able to maintain her stamina throughout this program and complete 7 jumps sequences, 3 spins and steps?"

She then pointed out some of the mistakes Mao did in the program during the video playback.

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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:03 am

I completely agree with Batsuchan and Mia! Mao would NEVER jeopardise the chances of another skater! Perhaps I'm being presumptuous in saying this, since I obviously do not personally know Mao, but just watching her in post-competition interviews and seeing the way she conducts herself after an imperfect program suggests to me that she is an upright competitor and would only delight in her win if and only if she attains it through honest means.

This 'poor me' attitude of Yuna is quite unbecoming of her. I watched this youtube video of an interview with Yuna after a competition in which Mao placed before her and she was saying something about how she (Yuna) thought she was penalised unfairly and hinted that Mao should have scored lower. That is not good sportsmanship.

I think the reason why some Korean fans are so fanatically obsessed with Yuna is because Korea doesn't have a history of champion figure skaters, unlike the U.S. and Japan which already have skaters like Midori Ito, Shizuka Arakawa, Miki Ando, Sasha Cohen and Michelle Kwan to be proud of. So, they are possibly focusing all their love and support on Yuna and have become very aggressive towards other skaters (in particular Mao) in the process. Have you seen how much stuff gets thrown on the ice after Yuna skates? It's like the rink is being flooded with flowers and soft toys. They love Yuna and that's understandable, even admirable, but they could go about showing it in a better way!

I seriously hope that no one tries to attack or sabotage Mao in anyway because if they do, they will have all of Mao's supporters here and elsewhere to answer to!
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PostSubject: Re: Korean TV's complaint about "disturbing YuNa's practice"   Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:41 am

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I seriously hope that no one tries to attack or sabotage Mao in anyway because if they do, they will have all of Mao's supporters here and elsewhere to answer to!
Us Mao fans can be quite dangerous if the situation calls for it! Like posting adorable pictures of Mao, Aero, Tiara, and Komachi all over the web... I love you

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