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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:21 am

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Ok maybe not...One more thing I've been meaning to say!

The rotation of champions is now complete! sunny

2004 Junior World Champion - Miki Ando
2005 Junior World Champion - Mao Asada
2006 Junior World Champion - Yu-Na Kim

2007 World Champion - Miki Ando
2008 World Champion - Mao Asada
2009 World Champion - Yu-Na Kim

I have no idea what this means for the Olympics next year, but if Miki does start nailing the quad....hmmm... Very Happy

This is eerily interesting. Wow. I'd never noticed this before. Unfortunately, we can't rotate again for the olympic gold medal, since it's only held once every four years. Shame. Cool Imagine Yuna receiving her OGM in 2018. lol!

Thank you angelberry for the photos! Mao look so forlorn in that picture with her snuggling against the boards... I wonder whether this was pre/post competition. Probably taken when they are practicing for the gala or sth though, I would think. Awwww...

I am feeling a bit melancholy today No as the magnitude of Yu-na's success and Mao's results finally sunk in. Erm, I must painfully and slightly resentfully admit that our Mao wasn't really much of a real threat to Yuna at all at worlds, considering her condition. We all loved her performances but to be frank, aside from the EX (which I think Mao totally trumped Yuna), the emotional impact, the level of execution of Mao's programs last week in general is no where near Yu-na's. Very Mad I am despising myself at the moment for thinking this at the moment, cuz I know that Mao is so AWESOME in her skating and personality!!! Panic! GOOOOOOO, MAOOOO! I'm be supporting you all the way! Cheering

Just some ranting... didn't know where else to do this, so please bear with me.

Onto happier things:

I heard Mao and Miki have both safely arrived at Japan.

http://www.47news.jp/CN/200903/CN2009033101000973.html (in Japanese)

I think Mao's starting University tomorrow! She's joining the commencement ceremony of the new term. Hopefully, the media will be kind to her and not pick her apart like they did on Miki in the last Olympics. Hope that Mao stay healthy as plunges herself into practices again after some rest. Cheering


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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:25 am

Thanks for the pictures!!!
What is Miki doing with Mao's cheek? Too sweet! Love Hearts


Did anybody see Mao's FS on CBC broadcast?
I just watched it and it wasn't nice to hear their commentary especially when Mao and TAT were in the kiss and cry....
I wasn't expecting anything positive though Sweatdrop
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:27 am

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Thanks for the pictures!!!
What is Miki doing with Mao's cheek? Too sweet! Love Hearts


Did anybody see Mao's FS on CBC broadcast?
I just watched it and it wasn't nice to hear their commentary especially when Mao and TAT were in the kiss and cry....
I wasn't expecting anything positive though Sweatdrop

I was just about to ask if anyone's seen it...

They were tremendously appreciative of Yuna's skate though. Well, judging from their commentaries in NHK and GPF, it's not surprising that their comments were not v. positive.

I haven't watched it yet, what did kurt and tracy say?
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:47 am

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I was just about to ask if anyone's seen it...

They were tremendously appreciative of Yuna's skate though. Well, judging from their commentaries in NHK and GPF, it's not surprising that their comments were not v. positive.

I haven't watched it yet, what did kurt and tracy say?

Oh What they said was quite similar to their commentaries on GPF and 4CC. Kurt was acutually pretty positive about Mao's skating skill and jumps but they really don't like the choreography for sure. Commentator
I think he really wants the facial expression from Mao too, maybe.
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:58 am

coconut wrote:
snowdrops24 wrote:
I was just about to ask if anyone's seen it...

They were tremendously appreciative of Yuna's skate though. Well, judging from their commentaries in NHK and GPF, it's not surprising that their comments were not v. positive.

I haven't watched it yet, what did kurt and tracy say?

Oh What they said was quite similar to their commentaries on GPF and 4CC. Kurt was acutually pretty positive about Mao's skating skill and jumps but they really don't like the choreography for sure. Commentator
I think he really wants the facial expression from Mao too, maybe.

Thanks for updating me, coconut!! cheers

Haha, they just don't like TAT, do they? I don't think many people liked the choreography of Mao's FS this year, even though I was tremendously impressed when I saw it in NHK/GPF. I guess with a slightly stronger facial expression, Mao may have been better received by the judges and other people. Ah, well... After all, Mao has wonderful delicate features. Love Hearts

Just a note, Her close-up at worlds shows that she really takes after her mother's features. sunny
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:04 pm

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They were tremendously appreciative of Yuna's skate though
They have always been, and we don't have to forget that Tracy Wilson is part of her coaching team so..
However, I've always found that Kurt was more of a Mao Fan inside him, and Tracy, a Yu Na Fan.
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:47 pm

I have so much to comment about those World Championships! (And so little time... Laughing)

But the first thing that comes to my mind is less about Worlds, and more about the season in general:
...Am I the only one who is not getting the scores at all anymore..? The scores seem to be all over the place with no reason whatsoever. Takahiko's scores dropping from over 84 to below 80 for a clean SP, Patrick scores being all over the place, Brian Evan and Nobu's scores being completely erratic as well... In the ladies field it's even more crazy.

Where will the scoring go from now on, I wonder? Will the judges keep belching out 8s and 9s in PCS, or will the scores drop once again, like it was with Sasha and Irina scores?

I no longer get the levels on spins and spirals, either. Theoretically I know the rules, but it seems I need someone to parse them into normal human language, because I can't see why some elements received the level/GoE they did. Occassionally I just imagine that the panel of judges and Technical Specialists has been taken over by a bunch of monkeys that escaped from a nearby Zoo. It makes the scores much more understandable... Sweatdrop

On a random note: if Miki's 3L in the LP has been fully rotated and if the judges coughed up some positive GoEs for it (usually it's gorgeous and woth of 1.5 GoE, IMHO!) and just a tiny bit higher PCS (and we all know that despite what the ISU manual days, the PCS ARE closely connected with the amount and quality of jumps landed), then Miki would probably establish the new record LP score. And that's without a 3-3, 3F and with one spin taken out since YuNa established the latest LP record. ROTFLMAO

I find the ISU's description of the "!" deduction - "Jump take off with wrong edge (short)" - grossly inacurrate. The correct description should read: "Wrong take-off, but who cares anyway? We love you, man, so have the full base value and some + GoE, too."

I find the JSF's comment about Mao needing to improve non-jump elements ignorant and offensive - have they ever watched the programs and compared the quality of Mao's elements to those of other skaters? Lack of stamina may have caused some elements to not receive full levels (actually, I have no clue why - they looked the same as in previous events to me, maybe except the spirals that seemed a tiny bit slower), but they were beautiful.

For all the moaning about Mao's lack of full set of triples at Worlds 2007, now we have a gold medalist with no clean flip, no loop, and increasingly unsteady 3S. What will you say now, bots? Oh, I know. "It's not all about the jumps!" Hell, no!

Speaking of which, I'm just so proud of Miki. Her determination is amazing. I think she was a bit underscored (in comparison to YuNa, objectively speaking her scores were good). She improved her expression, her spins were fantastic, and her jumping technique was IMHO the best of all the girls in this championships. No edge errors, the ability to execute 2L, 3T and 3L as the second jump (which shows excellent control of the landing edge), full set of jumps (combining SP and LP). Sadly, her 3Ls have been downgraded, but I think it was more of stamina issue than a fault of technique. And I still will take UR 3L over no 3L at all. Smile

Mao! Not what we were hoping for, but what I suspected. In retrospective, maybe it would be better for her to have a bit easier programs to accomodate the change of the jumping technique better. It's never easy, and concentrating both on the intricacies of the program and on the jumps was probably a nightmare. Even YuNa, said to be in top condition, couldn't hold on to her jumps in her much less intricate LP.
I hope JSF will not butt their noses into Mao's training regime and let Mao and TAT slowly work on the issues and stabilize Mao's jumps again. It took Joannie 2 years to fix her Lutz, hopefully Mao will be ready just in time for Olympics. Good luck! She made so much improvements this season and kudos to her and her team for that! Confetti I think it would be inconsiderable to say that this was a bad season for Mao - she made necessary and important steps in order to become a better skater. The hard work will pay off in the future. Thumbs up!

More in the next post... Sweatdrop
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:14 pm

What really bothers me now that Mao can't train like a normal skater, may be it would be better if she moves to Russia? scratch
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:51 pm

Okami...I have to really agree with you on the whole scores issues.
Your post made the elements a lot clearer, and confirmed my suspicions
of nonsensical judging. I also have to agree with your comments about Miki. She just pushes herself so hard and really amazes me when she skates like she did at Worlds. I do wonder how she beat Mao, though...
Thank you!

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What really bothers me now that Mao can't train like a normal skater, may be it would be better if she moves to Russia? scratch

Sorry, I may have missed something, but why can Mao no longer train like a normal skater? No
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:58 pm

@polosatik
Thanks for the info, LOL, That's so cute! Miki pinching Mao's cheek <3 Wub
Guess they get along quite well Very Happy

@Okami
Almost agree on everything you wrote, looking forward to read the rest of it!
One thing I never quite understood was this "!" Jump take off with wrong edge (short)..
Do the judges only use it when there's a lip? Appearently there are no deductions made when a skater receives a "!", but they get less GOE. I guess that means a lip isn't as bad as a flutz, does it? It would make sense, since the Lutz is a more difficult jump. And what does the term "short" mean?

I don't quite get PCS for most of the skaters this worlds either, especially at the men's competition. Poor Takahiko, he definitely deserves more :/
Also have no ideao why some of Mao's spins and spirals got level three. Guess these are things we'll never know :/
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:27 pm

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@Okami
Almost agree on everything you wrote, looking forward to read the rest of it!
One thing I never quite understood was this "!" Jump take off with wrong edge (short)..
Do the judges only use it when there's a lip? Appearently there are no deductions made when a skater receives a "!", but they get less GOE. I guess that means a lip isn't as bad as a flutz, does it? It would make sense, since the Lutz is a more difficult jump. And what does the term "short" mean?

"!" is not just for lips - it's for flutzes, too. Officially, if a jump receives the "e" deduction, it means that there was a severe change of edge on the take-off and it's GoE must be negative (the judges must deduce -1 at least). Meanwhile the "!" warning means that the change of edge was less severe and the GoE is at discretion of the judges (they can give it eve +2 if they please).
In reality (in my experience) the quality of the jump has precious little to do with whether the skater receives "!" or "e". The "e" deduction becomes rarer and rarer, and is usually received by the non-elite skaters. The eilite skaters usually receive the "!" warning, but the judges feel inclined to deduce the GoE only if the skater killed their pet dog, or something. Sweatdrop
IMHO it's a bit of an insult for those skaters who have messed up their jumping technique or suffered injuries while trying to fix their technique. I wonder if those skaters who still haven't fixed their jumps will feel very much inclined to fix them now, when the penalty isn't nearly as severe. Probably many will feel the same as YuNa - "it's too difficult to change it now, I've always done it this way, it's too difficult to change it now."

To sum up - I think it was sort of a poor idea from ISU. I think that the "!" warning would have more sense had it been implemented in the first season when the flutz/lip deduction were introduced.
Then, after a season or two, "!"s should be removed and the penalty for wrong edge take-off should be made compulsory (wrong take-off = negative GoE). In this way the skaters would have been warned that their technique is wrong, but at the same time they would have been given some time to adjust to the new rule. study
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:36 pm

EX photos Dance
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:30 pm

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angelberry wrote:
Pics!! Very Happy
http://illiweb.com/fa/pbucket.gif

Oh my... I feel so strange looking at this. What was she doing there? Watching the others practice? She looks lonely somehow.. I simply want to give her a big hug Wub

I agree! I just want to give Mao a big hug! Aww, but she also looks SOO cute! Poor baby! Wub

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http://image.sports.livedoor.com/photo/0/d/0d74058f7a4f455af48d1d40075afa17-o.jpg

This pic is really interesting! I guess Miki shared our sentiment - "Poor baby, smile!" I love you
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:51 pm

This blog has some pics from the EX:
http://masquelune.exblog.jp/11219363

The author had some really nice things to say about Mao's EX too, and how happy/surprised he/she was to see Mao get a standing ovation - there was so much cheering, you never would have thought Mao finished 4th, he/she said. And that's totally how it was! flower

@ Okami

Ok, so according to this blog, the reason why Yu-Na's last spin wasn't counted was because it was another combo spin. According to the ISU rules, there is a maximum of 3 spins, one of which must be a spin combination, one a flying spin and one a spin with only one position.

Yu-Na did a flying sit spin, a combination spin, and a change of foot combination spin, so the last one was not counted (either spin #2 or #3 should have been a spin with only one position).

Re: Miki

I agree that I was happy to see Miki skate her best. Honestly, watching them skate live - I really thought, wow, if there's anyone who can rival Yu-Na's jumps, it's really Miki. I mean, no one can rival Mao's 3Lo, 2A, 3A - they are just soo easy and light and beautiful - but Miki was SOO solid on ALL of her jumps. WOW! And I could see Mao hesitate/really think about it before she did most of her jumps - something I never noticed before. It used to be so effortless... Neutral

Re: the judging
Well, I have to say that the Ladies' scoring basically shattered my core belief - which was that if Mao Asada and Yu-Na Kim both skated perfectly, Mao would win because she has more difficulty.

Now I feel that the judges have firmly destroyed that fundamental premise. But I don't care! *I* will continue to think that Mao Asada is the best skater ever, and even if she doesn't win, I will continue to love her skating and her performances! Love Hearts


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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:53 pm

I just want to share with you guys a fun fact about worlds.

Well, today, Manon Perron (Joannie rochette's coach) came to my brothers skating-studying to give a seminar. He enjoyed a lot

As Manon just got back from L.A. She talked a bit with them about it.

Apparently, she told them that right before the long program Joannie was really excited and nervous so she put on and removed her skates like 15 times. Manon said that she let her do it but she thought it was funny (she surrely doesn't do that at home Razz ) But what was the funniest thing, is that in the same room, another skater was doing the same thing. Then Manon said, "I can't remember who it was, ohhh, yes, it was Mao!" She then said that her coach (TAT) and her (manon) looked at each other smiling because they thought it was a pretty funny situation and kind of "stupid". hahaha!!
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:57 pm

http://iceblue.cocolog-nifty.com/figure/cat7988201/index.html
(See first article on that page)

Comments from Nobuhiko Yoshioka
(Head of skating strengthening program) [Can't seem to translate his title nicely Sweatdrop]

--Last year's champion, Mao Asada, missed the podium.
Yoshioka: Because of yesterday's result, today Mao could only be aggressive, and go for two triple axels. The fall on the second axel was unfortunate, but as the result of taking a risk, this rank can't be helped. More than during the short, when she was very nervous, today she was able to move calmly and smoothly. If you say she didn't have speed...well, that may be true. Mao is definitely not lacking on the skating skills front, but she needs to skate more fully from a whole program perspective. Even if she does each ane every element, when you watch it as a whole program, is it 100% working, or is it just a bunch of parts put together for 4 minutes? For example, Joannie Rochette, etc - she accomplishes that part in the practices. Yu-Na also, from the GPF to the 4CC, when I see how her performance has evolved, I feel that she is skating fully. From that perspective, there is a difference... It's not simply a matter of the amount of practice.

--Asada is bothered by the lutz she fixed - isn't it affecting her practice or overall performance?
Yoshioka: Again, just like at 4CC, the lutz made Mao anxious, anxious and there's nothing she could do about it - that's not true. It's also not true that the lutz made her unable to practice the other elements. At any rate, if she does the same thing like this time, next season there will be the same result. As early as possible, Mao needs to complete her program, finish up her preparation, and pay careful attention to even the small details. I think the Olympics will be decided on how perfected the new program will be, and if you think that, then Mao's start point is not far from Yu-Na's. From now on, starting from the same point and competing is sufficient. I do not think that Yu-Na has a big lead at this point in time.

--How do you think this result will translate to the Olympics?
In terms of next season, you all are having regrettable/painful thoughts. Even though Yu-Na's last spin was not counted, her score was 10 points higher. To fill that gap, [Mao/the other Japanese skaters] need to get top levels on their spins, spirals and steps, and receive GOE's. On the components scores, they need to fill that gap between them and Yu-Na, who got 8's. Of course, they also need to do the jumps - well, I guess that's everything then. There are many things they need to do - I guess we're in trouble (laughs). But from now on there's a year, so if the Japanese players can meet and compete on a high level as rivals, then I think that will translate into results next year.

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After reading this, please see the thread called "Mao Asada needs to find Mao Asada," which I'm going to go post in the Mao Chat forum. This is the JSF view, and that is a commentator's view.
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:20 pm

bibi wrote:
I just want to share with you guys a fun fact about worlds.

Well, today, Manon Perron (Joannie rochette's coach) came to my brothers skating-studying to give a seminar. He enjoyed a lot

As Manon just got back from L.A. She talked a bit with them about it.

Apparently, she told them that right before the long program Joannie was really excited and nervous so she put on and removed her skates like 15 times. Manon said that she let her do it but she thought it was funny (she surrely doesn't do that at home Razz ) But what was the funniest thing, is that in the same room, another skater was doing the same thing. Then Manon said, "I can't remember who it was, ohhh, yes, it was Mao!" She then said that her coach (TAT) and her (manon) looked at each other smiling because they thought it was a pretty funny situation and kind of "stupid". hahaha!!


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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:08 pm

Okami wrote:
But the first thing that comes to my mind is less about Worlds, and more about the season in general:
...Am I the only one who is not getting the scores at all anymore..? The scores seem to be all over the place with no reason whatsoever. Takahiko's scores dropping from over 84 to below 80 for a clean SP, Patrick scores being all over the place, Brian Evan and Nobu's scores being completely erratic as well... In the ladies field it's even more crazy.
I hope all this is just a simple matter of a personal judges' bias. Or some money question. Maybe politics. Because a thought about people sitting there, really being THAT ignorant, scares me much more than any of these, hm, 'objective' reasons. Rolling Eyes
Okami wrote:
I no longer get the levels on spins and spirals, either. Theoretically I know the rules, but it seems I need someone to parse them into normal human language, because I can't see why some elements received the level/GoE they did. Occassionally I just imagine that the panel of judges and Technical Specialists has been taken over by a bunch of monkeys that escaped from a nearby Zoo. It makes the scores much more understandable...
Jokes aside, if somebody invented a device capable of converting an emotional response of monkeys towards different elements into GoE, figure skating'd instantly jump several steps up its evolutional ladder (straight into the Golden Age!). Smile
While the technical panel could be replaced with a couple of especially keen dolphins (Flipper and Lipper?). Laughing
Jokes aside #2. I bet, in several decades FS fans will look back at what we have now as the judging/scoring system just as at some ridiculous barbarism.
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I find the JSF's comment about Mao needing to improve non-jump elements ignorant and offensive - have they ever watched the programs and compared the quality of Mao's elements to those of other skaters?
Mmmm... Have they really said THAT? pale As I know, already mentioned several times on this forum gaming console Nintendo DS has a pretty neat line-up of educational games with names such as Big Brain Academy or More Brain Training from Dr. Kawashima: How Old Is Your Brain? (11 words!). Wiki says that only in Japan the last one was sold around 6 million times! I'm not saying we should start gathering money in order to send a free copy to JSF, but... well, maybe it wouldn't be that bad idea after all?.. -_-
Okami wrote:
For all the moaning about Mao's lack of full set of triples at Worlds 2007, now we have a gold medalist with no clean flip, no loop, and increasingly unsteady 3S. What will you say now, bots? Oh, I know. "It's not all about the jumps!"
Sure! Smile Only those were not just bots who were saying that, but also a general populace of the GS forum, for example. Speaking of which, it makes me wonder at times, why so many people refer to that forum in particular as to some radiant source of some precious opinion.
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What really bothers me now that Mao can't train like a normal skater, may be it would be better if she moves to Russia?
Honestly, I think that would be a big mistake, since I don't think Mao would feel that happy while constantly living in Moscow. At this level all the battles are being lost and won in one's head, and in order to have good mentality Mao simply has to feel happy in her daily life.
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:41 pm

Pretty much in agreement with everything Okami + Batsuchan said (no surprises there!) Ever since last year's Worlds - more specifically Yukari's score from the two UR's - the judges and scores have agreed with me less, and I just can't help but feel that sometimes the tech panel and judges themselves aren't too sure what to do. Lips sealed

I sincerely hope the JSF won't barge in and let Mao + Tat develop their strategy (in that regards, it's a very good step that the 3fl-3l was finally ratified in the SP). There has been a gossipy article earlier in the season about the possibility of Tat being replaced based on Mao's results at '09 Worlds and that's the last thing that should be happening.

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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:28 am

summervie wrote:
Jokes aside, if somebody invented a device capable of converting an emotional response of monkeys towards different elements into GoE, figure skating'd instantly jump several steps up its evolutional ladder (straight into the Golden Age!). Smile
While the technical panel could be replaced with a couple of especially keen dolphins (Flipper and Lipper?). Laughing

When I first read that, I thought :"OMG that is the most brilliant idea I've ever heard! Someone should totally invent that device!" And then, I realised that unfortunately, even monkeys have personal biases and such. It all boils down to the eye of the beholder.

I think what they need to do is go back to the 6.0 system. It's flawed, of course (i.e. the controversy with the French judge) but at least it's predictable. Whereas the new system has so many "hidden" aspects that NO ONE (including the judges themselves, I suspect) have any idea of what the correct score for a skater should be.
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:15 am

shadowcookie wrote:

When I first read that, I thought :"OMG that is the most brilliant idea I've ever heard! Someone should totally invent that device!" And then, I realised that unfortunately, even monkeys have personal biases and such. It all boils down to the eye of the beholder.
Well, I just came up with even more brilliant idea. Smile
Once there was an absolutly wonderful Russian periodical (with all the best Russian journalists of the time inside), whose main business was reviewing some popular media. They had their own scoring system, which simple idea consisted in putting a mark from 0.0 to 5.0 after every review.
Once they were asked about how they come up with their scores. The answer was that they have a specially trained man Vasiliy (kind of an 'awkward' male name in Russia) who gets all the ratings out of a rusty bucket. Smile AND, in some special occasions (when it comes to something undoubtly great), ratings appear on the empty pages by themselves, and then they just write text around them. Smile

So maybe this is how it should be done? Maybe this is the way? For judges to put scores BEFORE a competion, and then for skaters, without any pressure, just to give a perfomance based on those scores! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:26 am

summervie wrote:
shadowcookie wrote:

When I first read that, I thought :"OMG that is the most brilliant idea I've ever heard! Someone should totally invent that device!" And then, I realised that unfortunately, even monkeys have personal biases and such. It all boils down to the eye of the beholder.
Well, I just came up with even more brilliant idea. Smile
Once there was an absolutly wonderful Russian periodical (with all the best Russian journalists of the time inside), whose main business was reviewing some popular media. They had their own scoring system, which simple idea consisted in putting a mark from 0.0 to 5.0 after every review.
Once they were asked about how they come up with their scores. The answer was that they have a specially trained man Vasiliy (kind of an 'awkward' male name in Russia) who gets all the ratings from a rusty bucket. Smile AND, in some special occasions (when it comes to something undoubtly great), ratings appear on the empty pages by themselves, and then they just write text around them. Smile

So maybe this is how it should be done? Maybe this is the way? For judges to put scores BEFORE a competion, and then for skaters, without any pressure, just to give a perfomance based on those scores! Laughing

Very nice Smile

It really is a case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" for some skaters and gymnasts. Some judges are just so obnoxious and predisposed towards one skater that they close their eyes to the performances of others.

P.S. I used to be "shadowcookie" but changed my name back to "chineseteacup". I was getting harrassed on youtube so I changed my name temporarily but decided to just ignore those people in the end.
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:05 am

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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:06 am

Hello everyone. I am very happy to be a part of this wonderful forum. I am very sorry that I have to write that I am very annoyed and upset right now on my first post. I just can not believe people is saying that Yu-Na is the best and greatest skater and even trying to compare her with Michelle Kwan Mad
I agree that she skated wonderful short program. She can not be considered as the best skater with w free program of only 2A, 3L,3F(got!), and 3S(fell). That means she only had 1 clean triple!!!!! Miki had 3Lz,2A,3S,3Lo(ur)3T.Johannie had 3Lz,3F,2Lo(supposed to be 3L and we know she can do it),3T and 3S.Mao had 3A,3F,3Lo,3T,2A and Rachael had 3S, 3F, 3Lo, 3Lz,2A. I know Yu-na can do beautiful triple toe combination (although for 2A-3T, Miki's GOE was higher), but can she do any triple loop combination? I know if Mao did not have to worry about her correcting lutz, she could have skated much more freely and I am sure she could get higher level on spins and spirals as well. But Mao decided to take a harder way to become the best. We must speak loudly about appreciating versatile program to be executed for Olympic. We must address it strongly to the public .I just can not imagine an Olympic champion with just beautiful triple Lz combination!!!!!
Mao, you truely are the champion. You do not afraid of taking a risk to reach the perfection. I know your hard work will be paid off.
MAOCHAN THE BEST!!!!!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: 2009 World Figure Skating Championships~LA.   Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:37 pm

MOACHANTHEBEST wrote:
Hello everyone. I am very happy to be a part of this wonderful forum. I am very sorry that I have to write that I am very annoyed and upset right now on my first post. I just can not believe people is saying that Yu-Na is the best and greatest skater and even trying to compare her with Michelle Kwan Mad

I have to agree with you there. Lately, there is so much hype behind Yu-na Kim. That is problem--it's hype. Basically, she has the entire population of Korea rallying behind her desperately and with incredible loyalty. She also has gained a lot of fans just since she started recently placing at the very top of competitions this season. As I said before too, many of these fans are not the healthy, supportive type of fans that love figure skating. They love Yu-na Kim. So therefore, they have a disregard for any other skaters. Heaven forbid, anyone even come near to queen Yu-na's talent and a mob of fans attacks them with nasty crticism and just flat-out subjectism about things that have nothing to do with skating.
I deinitely know Yu-na is an incredible skater with huge amounts of talent, but sometimes people take it very very too far over the line. I am glad Korea has a figure skater to look up to, but, when Michelle Kwan came along, there was not the ridiculous racist and hateful comments toward other skaters as there are with Yu-Na. The country has every right to be proud and happy for Kim, but I don't think anyone has the right to publicly say things that many, many Yu-Na fans say about other skaters (particularly Mao).
I also think this behavior just makes most of Kim's fans seem uneducated in the sport. On Youtube, there are comments on Yu-Na's videos like:

"wht a beautiful!!! go YUNA!!!"
"go go asian!
asian FTW!"
(in reply)
"no asian
korea~"

Compared to Mao:

"I also think technically this program is nuts because she doesn't need
to do two triple axels....I got her Olympic program right here...

triple axel
triple lutz double loop
triple flip triple loop combo
triple loop
triple toe
triple lutz
double axel triple toe
double axel

Perfect program for Mao
Mao:"

"I would HATE to see someone would can skate so well be held down
because of her programs....She is the "Best" in my eyes even though Yu
Na is captivating as well. I would love to also finally see them both
skate clean in the same competition because they have not done that yet
one always makes a mistake and opens the door from the other"

In general, I feel like the huge Yu-Na hype isn't even necessarily based around the heart of the sport itself. It's based on her popularity and the fact that she is very pretty and talented.

==This is totally unrelated but...I LOVE how TAT hugs Mao like she's going to suffocate her after the LP! She practically rips Mao off the ice in happiness >w<
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