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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:06 am

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/flash/KFullFlash20100329088.html

JSF will make a proposal concerning the the elements of ladies short program. They will request to ISU the change of rule that ladies can choose either 2A or 3A in short program. ISU meeting will be held at Barcerona in June.

I think this is great news for Mao! I really hope ISU will accept this. Drama!
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:40 am

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http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/flash/KFullFlash20100329088.html

JSF will make a proposal concerning the the elements of ladies short program. They will request to ISU the change of rule that ladies can choose either 2A or 3A in short program. ISU meeting will be held at Barcerona in June.

I think this is great news for Mao! I really hope ISU will accept this. Drama!

They absolutely should! It is so not progressive to restrict the axel in the ladies short to only a double axel.
There's finally a girl who does it in the short and she's still forced to do it in combination, since a triple axel from steps is very hard to do and the double axel is obligatory.
Hopefully they will change this rule. Wouldn't it be awesome if Mao could get her triple-triple back in the short and was allowed to a triple axel too? I know, I know, I'm dreaming too much. But that would mean that she could do a 4-triple short program <3
the scoring would be beyond anything ever imagined I guess!!

But since the ISU is a lame bunch cosisting of conservative monkeys I have my doubts :/ (Sorry for that expression Razz)


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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:44 am

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hmm... wasn't it a 3f-3lp? I remember her doing the loop as a second jump and this is what makes mao chan so different. I mean no one else (I think as of now) who does a 3lp especially the top ladies.

Miki has a 3Lz+3Lo since forever and she has also done some more combos with a 3Lo in the end! And yes, Mao had 3F+3Lo, but also a 3F+3T.

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:27 am


Yes, Miki has a very nice 3Lz-3L combo. I also saw her do 3S-3L and 3Lz-3L-3L in the practice... Unfortunately, the judges downgrade 3L combos like crazy... pale

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http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/flash/KFullFlash20100329088.html

JSF will make a proposal concerning the the elements of ladies short program. They will request to ISU the change of rule that ladies can choose either 2A or 3A in short program. ISU meeting will be held at Barcerona in June.

I think this is great news for Mao! I really hope ISU will accept this. Drama!

This is exactly what I want to happen! I'm fine with the jump's base values, but this is one change that I wanted to see.

Unfortunately about 2-3 years ago this issue was discussed already, and the general opinion was that there was no sense to change the rules, since only 2 ladies can land 3 axels. What stupid reasoning.

The second change that I would like to see would be not to reduce the base value of the jump sequences to 80%, but instead raise the value of the second jump in a combination by 20% and the 3rd jump - by 30%. Or something like that. (I just want Nobunari to put 3A-3T-3L back into his programs, and right now there's no poin because he gets more base value by doing solo 3L in the 2nd half). And also maybe the 3-3L combos would be finally more appreciated.

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:22 am

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Yes, Miki has a very nice 3Lz-3L combo. I also saw her do 3S-3L and 3Lz-3L-3L in the practice... Unfortunately, the judges downgrade 3L combos like crazy... pale

coconut wrote:
http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/flash/KFullFlash20100329088.html

JSF will make a proposal concerning the the elements of ladies short program. They will request to ISU the change of rule that ladies can choose either 2A or 3A in short program. ISU meeting will be held at Barcerona in June.

I think this is great news for Mao! I really hope ISU will accept this. Drama!

This is exactly what I want to happen! I'm fine with the jump's base values, but this is one change that I wanted to see.

Unfortunately about 2-3 years ago this issue was discussed already, and the general opinion was that there was no sense to change the rules, since only 2 ladies can land 3 axels. What stupid reasoning.

The second change that I would like to see would be not to reduce the base value of the jump sequences to 80%, but instead raise the value of the second jump in a combination by 20% and the 3rd jump - by 30%. Or something like that. (I just want Nobunari to put 3A-3T-3L back into his programs, and right now there's no poin because he gets more base value by doing solo 3L in the 2nd half). And also maybe the 3-3L combos would be finally more appreciated.

I can never agree more about everything you've wrote!
It's always been great but painful for me to see Nobu doing his 3-3-3 and 4-3-3, because he never would get proper rewards for them. Everyone says he's got great knees and best landings, but since they don't reward them much with GOEs as well, highering the value of combos is the least he could benefit from. Does anyone have any idea who'll be coaching him next season?

Btw, I just read a crazy post in ISU board saying Mao's FP at Olys was better than the one she delivered at Worlds even with the mistakes! If anyone can justify that opinion plz do, for I'm all ears! I've always thought her best FP for this season was the one in Nats, but Worlds seemed even better than that. I thought her 3-2-2 had more height till the end, and her steps were at her best. Or am I missing something?
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:27 am

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inskate wrote:

Yes, Miki has a very nice 3Lz-3L combo. I also saw her do 3S-3L and 3Lz-3L-3L in the practice... Unfortunately, the judges downgrade 3L combos like crazy... pale

coconut wrote:
http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/flash/KFullFlash20100329088.html

JSF will make a proposal concerning the the elements of ladies short program. They will request to ISU the change of rule that ladies can choose either 2A or 3A in short program. ISU meeting will be held at Barcerona in June.

I think this is great news for Mao! I really hope ISU will accept this. Drama!

This is exactly what I want to happen! I'm fine with the jump's base values, but this is one change that I wanted to see.

Unfortunately about 2-3 years ago this issue was discussed already, and the general opinion was that there was no sense to change the rules, since only 2 ladies can land 3 axels. What stupid reasoning.

The second change that I would like to see would be not to reduce the base value of the jump sequences to 80%, but instead raise the value of the second jump in a combination by 20% and the 3rd jump - by 30%. Or something like that. (I just want Nobunari to put 3A-3T-3L back into his programs, and right now there's no poin because he gets more base value by doing solo 3L in the 2nd half). And also maybe the 3-3L combos would be finally more appreciated.

I can never agree more about everything you've wrote!
It's always been great but painful for me to see Nobu doing his 3-3-3 and 4-3-3, because he never would get proper rewards for them. Everyone says he's got great knees and best landings, but since they don't reward them much with GOEs as well, highering the value of combos is the least he could benefit from. Does anyone have any idea who'll be coaching him next season?

Btw, I just read a crazy post in ISU board saying Mao's FP at Olys was better than the one she delivered at Worlds even with the mistakes! If anyone can justify that opinion plz do, for I'm all ears! I've always thought her best FP for this season was the one in Nats, but Worlds seemed even better than that. I thought her 3-2-2 had more height till the end, and her steps were at her best. Or am I missing something?

how can that be possible she clearly had a botched program at the olympics. maybe bcause the two 3As were ratified? worlds everything seemed so much more deliberate and all her jumps were so tight and smooth.
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:34 pm

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PochinkoPotanko wrote:
inskate wrote:

Yes, Miki has a very nice 3Lz-3L combo. I also saw her do 3S-3L and 3Lz-3L-3L in the practice... Unfortunately, the judges downgrade 3L combos like crazy... pale

coconut wrote:
http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/flash/KFullFlash20100329088.html

JSF will make a proposal concerning the the elements of ladies short program. They will request to ISU the change of rule that ladies can choose either 2A or 3A in short program. ISU meeting will be held at Barcerona in June.

I think this is great news for Mao! I really hope ISU will accept this. Drama!

This is exactly what I want to happen! I'm fine with the jump's base values, but this is one change that I wanted to see.

Unfortunately about 2-3 years ago this issue was discussed already, and the general opinion was that there was no sense to change the rules, since only 2 ladies can land 3 axels. What stupid reasoning.

The second change that I would like to see would be not to reduce the base value of the jump sequences to 80%, but instead raise the value of the second jump in a combination by 20% and the 3rd jump - by 30%. Or something like that. (I just want Nobunari to put 3A-3T-3L back into his programs, and right now there's no poin because he gets more base value by doing solo 3L in the 2nd half). And also maybe the 3-3L combos would be finally more appreciated.

I can never agree more about everything you've wrote!
It's always been great but painful for me to see Nobu doing his 3-3-3 and 4-3-3, because he never would get proper rewards for them. Everyone says he's got great knees and best landings, but since they don't reward them much with GOEs as well, highering the value of combos is the least he could benefit from. Does anyone have any idea who'll be coaching him next season?

Btw, I just read a crazy post in ISU board saying Mao's FP at Olys was better than the one she delivered at Worlds even with the mistakes! If anyone can justify that opinion plz do, for I'm all ears! I've always thought her best FP for this season was the one in Nats, but Worlds seemed even better than that. I thought her 3-2-2 had more height till the end, and her steps were at her best. Or am I missing something?

how can that be possible she clearly had a botched program at the olympics. maybe bcause the two 3As were ratified? worlds everything seemed so much more deliberate and all her jumps were so tight and smooth.

Check http://forums.isu.org/viewtopic.php?t=1625&start=60 i.e.'tennisfan' post around the middle of the page! When I read some of the comments in that board, I can't help thinking maybe the actual judges are posting there! Oh well, I guess it always feels good for some people to agree with and understand what 'specialists' say no matter what, just so they can pretend to be more 'professional' than others. That board is crammed with unworthy know-it-alls I know, but I'd never imagined they'd justify the scorings to THAT extent!

Well, I'm going to raise the 3A being allowed in SP issue by the Japanese union on ISU board, and it's easy to predict those know-it-alls will tear me to peices. Anyone willing, plz join http://forums.isu.org/index.php and assist. I'd be more grateful, plus since it is an official ISU board after all, there is a high chance of those in high places to hear our voices there. Our supporting the 3A being allowed in SP suggestion there, might help getting it admitted, however low the chances are! Plz don't ignore me guys! This is a rare opportunity for us being able to support Mao by making some moves! Thanks for your consideration in advance.
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:50 pm

I would love if Asada went back to doing 3f-3l. I know it was frequently downgraded but I always thought it was a beautiful combination nonetheless. I also suspect judges (and audiences) prefer to see a combination where the jumps are more equal in height, and Asada's 3ax-2t unfortunately isn't. While I absolutely love her solo triple axel, I'm not too sold on her current combo... But then again I think all this downgrading business has gone too far. If it keeps up there's a chance we'll start seeing even fewer and fewer difficult combos and jumps than we already do. We have a world bronze medallist with three credited triples already...


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Check http://forums.isu.org/viewtopic.php?t=1625&start=60 i.e.'tennisfan' post around the middle of the page! When I read some of the comments in that board, I can't help thinking maybe the actual judges are posting there! Oh well, I guess it always feels good for some people to agree with and understand what 'specialists' say no matter what, just so they can pretend to be more 'professional' than others. That board is crammed with unworthy know-it-alls I know, but I'd never imagined they'd justify the scorings to THAT extent!


Please don't take this the wrong way, but I lurk around the ISU board sometimes and I've never gotten the impression that the posters there are as bad as you make it sound in some of your posts. They seem fairly reasonable to me. Of course, everyone has different opinions about certain matters but just because theirs may be different than yours doesn't make them trolls.
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:05 pm

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I would love if Asada went back to doing 3f-3l. I know it was frequently downgraded but I always thought it was a beautiful combination nonetheless. I also suspect judges (and audiences) prefer to see a combination where the jumps are more equal in height, and Asada's 3ax-2t unfortunately isn't. While I absolutely love her solo triple axel, I'm not too sold on her current combo... But then again I think all this downgrading business has gone too far. If it keeps up there's a chance we'll start seeing even fewer and fewer difficult combos and jumps than we already do. We have a world bronze medallist with three credited triples already...


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Check http://forums.isu.org/viewtopic.php?t=1625&start=60 i.e.'tennisfan' post around the middle of the page! When I read some of the comments in that board, I can't help thinking maybe the actual judges are posting there! Oh well, I guess it always feels good for some people to agree with and understand what 'specialists' say no matter what, just so they can pretend to be more 'professional' than others. That board is crammed with unworthy know-it-alls I know, but I'd never imagined they'd justify the scorings to THAT extent!


Please don't take this the wrong way, but I lurk around the ISU board sometimes and I've never gotten the impression that the posters there are as bad as you make it sound in some of your posts. They seem fairly reasonable to me. Of course, everyone has different opinions about certain matters but just because theirs may be different than yours doesn't make them trolls.

Oh no, I don't think they're trolls! And I do think most of them have alot of proper knowledge on the sport, and though there are alot of things I don't agree on with them, there are stuff I do agree on with them. But some of them do look down on others, and treat newcomers like idiots sometimes. There was one girl who posted a question about how other's think of Sasha once, but then one of the regular posters wrote 'enough about Sasha she's finished!' and she was totally ignored. I knew from her previous posts that the person who said that hated Sasha all along, but that was just simply rude to the other girl. Plus the same person who did that goes around bashing a whole lot of skaters except the ones she favors, but she still acknowledges herself of being objective and 'professional'. That kind of attitude from some of them is what I cannot help disliking there. I do not dislike them because they have different opinions to mine. Please give me some credit and believe at least that, for I'm not THAT small a human being. It's the way they oppose to views which are different from theirs, and their ways of critisizing the skaters who they dislike which I have difficulty accepting. I hardly sense any respect towards other posters with different opininons and the skaters they dislike, and that's been resulting in calling eachother names and the administrator stopping them from time to time. It sometimes gets very ugly there. And there are some like me who feel uncomfortable with some very arrogant posters there. There was even a bit of a quarrel on that matter some weeks ago, too. And the biggest problem with most of the people there is, that they never repent nor apologize when they have done wrong to others. That's the basic difference between people there and here. Once the administrator poseted a message encouraging newcomers not to be afraid to post their opinions. And I think that proves some people (like me at first) were shocked and frightened about how the regular members act there.

I'm sorry if my comments concerning that board might have gone too far at times. My intentions were not to bias anybody who's never been there, honestly. But I hope you will understand that I do not dislike most of the people there, just because my opinions differ from theirs'. I've been like them before in other fields which I have much more knowledge of in the past myself, and when I look back on it I am a bit ashamed. I've grown out of that through aging, but I see my past self in the attitudes of people there, which is probably the main reason I do not feel good about them. I do still think though that fan criticisms and arguments are just a harmless game for them to enjoy what they like more. However, I've come to think over the years that such pleasures would add up to nothing, unless they are based on respect and love for who and what they are discussing. If such emotions are left out, it is likely to turn out into a mere self-satisfactory thing of an empty tactic game as to who will get the last word. There are certainly alot of reasonable points made in that forum, but sometimes they forget their true goals of discussion, and it all turns into an opportunity for some to just make fools out of others.

Sorry for the long post. Thank you for reading.
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:18 am

This really made me tear up a little: Sad

According to Mai (this was translated on a Chinese forum):

To do the 3A, Mao dieted and exercised to decrease her body fat percentage to 7% (I think this was also mentioned before).

When she was told that for women above the age of 18 to have that low of a percentage, it may affect their pregnancy rate, Mao was still determined to choose the 3A path. This is coming from a girl who I think once said that she wants a big family with lots of kids...

Before she used to eat Yakiniku a lot (her favorite as we all know!), but at that time (meaning before nationals and Olympics), she would at most eat 3 pieces.

During the time when her 3A was really not working out for her- the couple of days before JPN nationals, Mao was really in a slump and cried a lot.

Mai, to cheer her up, took her to a Chinese restaurant, and told her that she could eat whatever she wanted to, and to not worry about her weight.

She was still crying then, but still chose only a bowl of porridge (congee), a bowl of soup, and vegetables, still thinking of her weight control.

Mai said that she felt like it was the only thing she could do for her.

When reading this, it was just really touching to see just how much this girl works and sacrifices for her dream, and it's really disheartening to hear comments about her from other people who don't know her and who just discredits so much effort. It's also so sad to think about how this sport is judged. Every athlete on the ice, after coming off, is given a score (sometimes very unfairly), but it does not reflect all their pain and effort.
I can't help but think that Mai was thinking of all this when she started to cry after Mao finished skating and when she met up with Mao...

Apparently, in a magazine spread about Mao (with 10 pages on her story!), after Mao returned from the Olympics, Ayumi met up with her for 3 HRS... That's amazing, hope that really helped Mao realize how special and great she is.

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:37 am

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This really made me tear up a little: Sad

According to Mai (this was translated on a Chinese forum):

To do the 3A, Mao dieted and exercised to decrease her body fat percentage to 7% (I think this was also mentioned before).

When she was told that for women above the age of 18 to have that low of a percentage, it may affect their pregnancy rate, Mao was still determined to choose the 3A path. This is coming from a girl who I think once said that she wants a big family with lots of kids...

Wow... Thank you for the translation sapphiresky, this is so sad that it really hurts Sad
There was really an obvious change during the end of the 07/08 season and the beginning of the 08/09 season regarding Mao's height and weight!
She looked thinner and a bit taller too and I thought that this loss of weight might be due to her grow spurt.
But I just can't cope with the fact that she deliberately wanted to loose more weight only because of the axels
Of course it worked somehow, since her triple axel is very consistent when it comes to landing it. But I wonder if she doesn't even get more depressed by the fact that the judges still very often don't ratify it(And very often, those are questionable downgrades too. Think of worlds, her short program 3axel was a beauty and all the commentators were convinced of it's full rotation).
I guess she's pushing herself really further into this. I just don't feel comfortable when I think that she did this all for the axel..?

Before the 08/09 season she really had a different body type, slightly smaller and more rounded. She looked beautiful and she still does today. But I wonder if that diet thing did also take some of her speed too.
What do you guys think? I thought she was faster in former seasons, maybe that's because her programs were more fluent ones, but I think all in all, it's the axels who take a whole lot of energy away too.

That's why I'm more than glad she'll change coaches now and will hopefully really focus on 'easier' jumping elements. 3lutz is a good start and it would be such a great thing if she could get a 3-3 back.
It would also be a good thing if she chooses to only do one triple axel in the future. One is so much more likely to get ratified and she'd have more time and energy for other jumping elements too.

Regarding this whole issue I can't express my hate for some of the judges too. Especially the technical controllers. This whole downgrading thing is taking away the sport from figure skating.
Obvious underrotation should be punished, of course! But the judges have developed such a nitpicking attitude that I'm often left speechless when seeing the results.
Mao's special because of her triple axels, she's the only woman to do them and they are looking way too close on them. That downgrade at worlds still bothers me. Furthermore, the judges don't give Miki Ando any credit for her 3-3 either.
I mean, those are two girls who did those jumping passes years after years, why shoud they execute those jumps all at once differently? Nothing big has changed and yet they are punished so severely.

I know the whole ladies competition sucked, but I think it's so alarming when a girl like Laura Lepisto gets bronze with a three triple program.

Please Mao, don't make your health depend on the axels! You should eat what you want whenever you feel like it..! I know athletes have to take care of their weight, but I really don't think this is the right way..
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:40 am

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Please Mao, don't make your health depend on the axels! You should eat what you want whenever you feel like it..! I know athletes have to take care of their weight, but I really don't think this is the right way..

ITA. Yep, Sadly

I hope I do not offend anyone here by saying this, but this approach is very disturbing to me and if it's true, Mao essentially starved herself this season. Crying or Very sad The reason a woman's ability to be pregnant might be affected is because your period stops when you are below a certain weight. Mao should be able to start again by gaining weight so I don't think there will be any permanent damage as long as this is temporary and she gains a few pounds soon.

But still... I don't understand this. I could tell how she tweaked her technique on the axel, especially on the entrance, and I thought that was the reason for her improved condition. But Mao has seemed thinner to me than almost any of the top girls competing (those who are mature women).

I guess what I'm really hoping for at this point would be that she is able to go to a technical coach who can find a better solution to her axel issue. Having that low of body weight is simply NOT healthy and could be extremely harmful to Mao if she continues like that. I know other skaters complain about being hungry, so this issue probably isn't solely affecting Mao, but I really care about her and I hope she won't have any lasting effects from this. pale
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:40 pm

Maybe it's a pre-competition thing? Johnny purposely fasts before a competition as well, because unfortunately jumping is a delicate aspect of skating and weight is a particularly crucial factor.

7% body fat is definitely low compared to most female athletes and people like Jennifer Kirk constantly mention how ED is common amongst competitive skaters. Body fat % is something that is relative to the individual however, and it's not unheard of for female marathoners and long-distance athletes to go below 10% (while still remaining healthy). Before we panic though, I think it's important to remember that part of Mao's Weider Support Team is nutritionist Kokoro Kawanami; I seriously doubt a professional sports nutritionist like her will allow an unhealthy diet and bad eating habits for an athlete of Mao's calibur. Yep!

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:09 pm

Miki and Mao appeared very thin this season compared to last season. They definately lost some weight to improve their jumps. But I don't like seeing them like this.

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:17 pm

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Miki and Mao appeared very thin this season compared to last season. They definately lost some weight to improve their jumps. But I don't like seeing them like this.

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I know it disturbs people, but that's the truth of some sports. Constantly "adjusting" weight prior to a competition is a major part of some sports like long-distance track and boxing. Whether one agrees with this practice is one thing, but it indeed takes place; it's important to remember that it *can* be done in a manner that is less taxing to the body and overall health. Again, it needs to be done under constant supervision (which Mao does receive under Kawanami-san), so I'm a bit surprised with all the concern being written here. I don't know about other skaters though, but I would think constant medical attention, a sports doctor, and a nutritionist on the team is standard for at least the top skaters. Yep!

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:32 pm

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MikiAndoFan#1 wrote:
Miki and Mao appeared very thin this season compared to last season. They definately lost some weight to improve their jumps. But I don't like seeing them like this.

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I know it disturbs people, but that's the truth of some sports. Constantly "adjusting" weight prior to a competition is a major part of some sports like long-distance track and boxing; it's important to remember that it *can* be done in a manner that is less taxing to the body and overall health. Again, it needs to be done under constant supervision (which Mao does receive under Kawanami-san), so I'm a bit surprised with all the concern being written here. I don't know about other skaters though, but I would think constant medical attention, a sports doctor, and a nutritionist on the team is standard for at least the top skaters. Yep!

Losing weight is not what concerned me, though. The part that was disturbing to me was that the original poster said that she could have very serious and lasting affects from her weight loss, which does not sound like the normal diet regiments most figure skaters and gymnasts experience before they compete. I believe that most doctors would not recommend something so drastic and potentially damaging for their patients.

However, you bring up a good point that Mao is an elite athlete and she is surrounded by a supportive team in Japan who I'm sure want to do what's best for her. Also, this was reported on the Chinese forum, so perhaps there was something lost in translation about the whole thing. As I said before, LOTS of female athletes temporarily lose their period during weight loss and periods of intense training, so this would be a lot more normal and something Mao could easily fix with gaining a few pounds/ kg.

Anyways, I feel encouraged by Mao's excitement to eat pizza and relax now that the season is over! sunny I'm sure she will feel better soon and I hope she will feel stronger next season.


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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:34 pm

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Anyways, I feel encouraged by Mao's excitement to eat pizza and relax now that the season is over! sunny I'm sure she will feel better soon and I hope she will be stronger next season.
She mentioned yakiniku again and having gelato in her recent interviews too, so I hope she takes it easy during this off-season. It's very possible the Chinese forums aren't familiar with Mao's post-competition diet (and how she feasts!) so that might explain why some parts were lost in translation. I wonder if the interview in question - from what I can tell it's the one at Sporto with Mao and Mai with the letter from Mao's mom - is already off YT, because I don't remember Mao mentioning pregnancy at all, now that I think about it...

Mao & Daisuke had two live interviews when they returned to Japan yesterday, so I'll post the links here:
Live interview with Fuji TV's Super News -
www.youtube.com/watch?v=466adi5x1fY (part 1)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjJnZaAwhUo (part 2)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ_TVwpIvG4 (part 3)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Liav4GYAcaI (part 4)

This one is from Sporto a few hours later -
www.youtube.com/watch?v=InXSnHM0Sxw (part 1)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsO6x4xLcWc (part 2)

This will take a while to translate...please bear with me! Sweatdrop

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:18 pm

clovera wrote:
Live interview with Fuji TV's Super News -
www.youtube.com/watch?v=466adi5x1fY (part 1)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjJnZaAwhUo (part 2)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ_TVwpIvG4 (part 3)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Liav4GYAcaI (part 4)
I'll start in chronological order, and will summarize each clip rather than transcribe every dialogue since that would take up a lot of space! Whirly

Part 1 -
Like a Star @ heaven Mao & Daisuke arrive at the studio and are congratulated by Yuko Ando, the newscaster of Super News
Like a Star @ heaven Ando-san asks if she could take a look at the medals; jokes about how the ones at Vancouver were a whole lot bigger but how the gold they received in Torino just as "heavy" if not more; Dai and Mao both agree
Like a Star @ heaven Ando-san comments on how this is the first time the men and ladies' event had a Japanese champion; also mentions that Mao is the first Japanese skater ever to win two World golds
Like a Star @ heaven Mao mentions that she didn't really feel like she won the competition yet, because she's just excited to skate all-out throughout the competition
Like a Star @ heaven Dai feels like he "got" the gold this year, so he wants to be able to "grab" it next Worlds; he's also glad that he went for the 4F Too sweet!
Like a Star @ heaven Ando-san compliments Mao's 3A as well
(recap clip of Daisuke and Mao's performances)
Like a Star @ heaven Ando-san shows us the skates Dai and Mao skated in at this year's Worlds; mentions how Mao's beige skates has a lot of scratches and one can tell a lot of effort was put this season
Like a Star @ heaven Both Dai and Mao talk about fighting to maintain their condition and motivation for Worlds following the Olys
Like a Star @ heaven Dai thankful for the Japanese fans that showed up to the Palavela and how he wanted to perform for the Italian audience since his music for the free skate is La Strada
Like a Star @ heaven Mao only had one full day of rest after returning to Japan but felt it was more than enough Razz

Part 2 -
(clip of Mao's Bells)
Like a Star @ heaven Mao said she was very nervous in the beginning, but she kept her focus; during the Olys she had brief lapses in concentration like thinking about how the next jumping pass will earn her 9 points. She made sure she was able to skate like she does during practice at Torino
Like a Star @ heaven Ando-san asks Dai about whether he also thinks about points when he skates; Dai says he doesn't, but he always thinks about various jump layouts so he won't get Zayak'ed (he does this during practice too)
(clip of Dai's La Strada)
Like a Star @ heaven Dai was actually wondering about whether he should just skate conservatively and just land a 3F right up to the approach of his first jump; in the end he decided to go for it since he felt he will regret not going all out and might make a mistake anyway
Like a Star @ heaven Mao talks about how she was scared and nervous to see the judges' scores; she kept focusing on the camera during the K&C because she was unable to see the scoreboard
Like a Star @ heaven Mao was pleased to skate her best this season at Torino, and winning the gold was the icing on the cake for her
(clip of Dai struggles in rehab and Mao when she was younger in addition to snippets of the podium ceremony)

Part 3 -
Like a Star @ heaven Ando-san jokes to one of the other casters if she got Mao her tiger cub yet (in the previous clip when she was younger, the announcers were asking what Mao wanted as a present after winning Jr. Worlds and receiving Aero)
Like a Star @ heaven Daisuke still thinks he has room to grow and how practice helps him gain confidence leading up to competition; Utako-sensei told him how you can't "win the lottery if you don't try it"
Like a Star @ heaven Mao mentions how she wants to work on her consistency for next season
Like a Star @ heaven Ando-san notices how Mao calls Daisuke "Dai-chan"
Like a Star @ heaven For Mao, the Olympics and Worlds are two different things; the gold at Worlds won't replace a gold medal at the Olympics, so the disappointment she had regarding her performance at Vancouver can only be cleared at Sochi
(clip of Yuzuru congratulating Mao and Dai; Yuzuru talks about how he wanted to make history for the Japanese men by medaling at Olys and Worlds but is happy for Dai and wants to follow in his footsteps)
Like a Star @ heaven Mao mentions that she wants to work on her other triples and the 3-3 for next season; she doesn't have a specific piece of music she wants to skate to just yet, and also discusses wanting to find a coach who could help her on the technical side of the sport
(brief segment where faxes sent to Dai and Mao are being introduced and read)
Like a Star @ heaven For now, both Dai and Mao wants to take things easy and rest; Mao wants yakiniku! Razz

Part 4 -
(clip of Mao and Dai at the Gala)
Like a Star @ heaven Dai said he asked Pang and Tong for advice regarding throw jumps
Like a Star @ heaven Mao wants some of Dai's expressiveness; Dai wants some of Mao's mental toughness and lightness in her skating
Like a Star @ heaven Mao likes watching Dai's jumps; the quad is not her goal however
Like a Star @ heaven Dai+Mao were asked to write about their goals for next season during the commercial break; Mao wrote "consistency," while Dai wrote "win back-to-back Worlds!"

*I'll work on translating the Sporto interview now!* cat

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:51 pm

clovera wrote:
This one is from Sporto a few hours later -
www.youtube.com/watch?v=InXSnHM0Sxw (part 1)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsO6x4xLcWc (part 2)
(this live interview was done around midnight)

Part 1-
Like a Star @ heaven Mao and Dai are again congratulated by the caster and announcers
Like a Star @ heaven We have the Yes or No Quiz (OX) segment again! Very Happy
Q1: Worlds after Olys was tough
Dai - Y, Mao - Y
(Dai interestingly didn't raise his level of motivation on purpose until after the SP)
Q2: I honestly thought I could win the gold @ Torino
Dai - N, Mao - N
Q3: I'm more happy with this gold than my medal at the Olys
(after a lot of thinking...)
Dai - N, Mao - N
Mao said that if she had a choice, she would say both yes and no
Q4: I had a hard time deciding my jump layout this competition
Dai - Y, Mao - N
Like a Star @ heaven Daisuke talks about the EX; Mao said that if they were given more time, she may have at least gotten one full rotation on the throw jump

Part 2-
Like a Star @ heaven Mai is on the phone - she greets Mao with a yah-hoo! Laugh
Like a Star @ heaven Mai wasn't able to cheer for Mao at Torino; Mao informed her of winning the gold on the phone
Like a Star @ heaven More yah-hooing from both Mao and Mai since they don't have much to talk about (Mao said they texted frequently before the interview); Mai also congratulates Dai Too sweet!
Like a Star @ heaven Mai tells the announcers she's watching Sporto; they respond with a "You're on it now!" Razz
Like a Star @ heaven Mai felt nervous watching Mao and Dai's programs on TV although she already knew the results
Like a Star @ heaven Mao thanks Mai for supporting her the entire season, and said that they should go shopping together again
Like a Star @ heaven Dai reiterates his goal of winning Worlds next season; he doesn't know if he'll stick to Sochi and wants to approach each season one by one
Like a Star @ heaven Mao looks forward to next year's Worlds at Tokyo; said she'll miss competing with Yu-Na if she does indeed retire
Like a Star @ heaven Dai and Mao thank their fans for their support cat

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:22 pm

Thanks so much for the clips and translating, clovera!!

I haven't had the time to watch them all yet, so it was lovely to read your summary. flower

clovera wrote:

Like a Star @ heaven Mao mentions that she didn't really feel like she won the competition yet, because she's just excited to skate all-out throughout the competition

I did see this part, since it's at the very beginning, and it really struck me. That's what it's all about for Mao, isn't it? Medals, winning--they are all secondary to DOING EVERYTHING SHE CAN.

Now that, I think, is the heart of a TRUE athlete, a TRUE champion!

***

So Hirono Aoshima wrote some more articles/essays after the ladies' short...they didn't leave quite as big an impression on me as her articles after last year's Worlds, but since I already translated them, here they are:

http://iceblue.cocolog-nifty.com/figure/cat7988201/index.html

After the Ladies’ short program, Mao 2nd, “Looking beyond ‘perfect’”

In what we call the first half of the season, the Grand Prix Series is quite tough. There’s the Final, and each country’s national championships, and so skaters are used to doing competition after competition, one after the other. If you consider that this competition “is only the second competition of the year,” then for these skaters, it shouldn’t be that tough.

However, the World Championships after the Olympics is so difficult—and after watching skaters make unexpected mistakes one after another and destroy their programs, you could fully understand just how hard it is for skaters to maintain their focus after finishing that big competition that only comes once every four years.

In the men’s competition, perhaps it was because the really exhausted skaters didn’t participate, but there weren’t such big mistakes. Or maybe it was that those lady skaters who had whittled themselves into tip-top shape for the Olympics relaxed just slightly, and put on just a little weight, and so they weren’t able to skate like they usually do. It really made you impressed to see just how much these women would devote themselves to the sport, just how hard they would work to show us this kind of beauty.

In the midst of all this—with Rochette taking a break, Yu-Na Kim making mistakes, and Miki Ando falling in her program—my eyes fell upon a figure who effortlessly did a triple axel (judged downgraded). And once again, I was amazed by Mao Asada’s wondrous/mysterious power.

When Carolina Kostner was asked by the local media, “Among your rivals, who do you think is strong? What do you think they are strong at?”, she replied, “Mao’s focus is amazing.”

At any rate, to meet her goal of “perfect short and free programs!”, she focused wholeheartedly, stoically, and did everything she was supposed to do…With a seriousness that makes you wonder, “in that slender frame, where does that strength come from?”, Mao Asada is trying to overcome the World Championships.

After the Ladies’ short program, Mao 2nd, “Looking beyond ‘perfect’” (2)

However, I think that very “strength” sometimes hinders her progress.

There were probably many skaters who were relieved after the Olympics. Although there were many skaters who made big mistakes, there were also many skaters who were relaxed, smiled, and brought out their own distinct personality to their heart’s content on the ice. Sarah Hecken’s “Romeo and Juliet” or Ksenia Makarova’s “Ladies and Lavender” made you think, “Wait, I saw this at the Olympics, but was it this good?”

In the midst of this, I felt that Mao Asada, who was focusing on completing each and every element, was too stoic. And even more so because of the monotone 3-beat rhythm of “Masquerade Waltz”. Like a excellent junior skater, she innocently showed us perfect examples of figure skating so beautifully—“here’s the next jump!” “Yes, the next element!”

Someone close to Mao said, “mastering her programs is homework for Mao,” and indeed, there is no better student. Even in her interview after the short program, she said, “My goal is to do both the short and free programs perfectly,” repeating her words from the day before as if she were reminding herself. Well then, Mao-chan, other than doing “both perfectly,” is there anything else you’d like to do? It was a casual question, but Mao was left speechless. And then, while giving a bewildered expression, she looked straight at me with a face that said, “I have to say something!,” and so the person who asked the question became uncomfortable.

“…First of all, I want to do all my jumps properly. If I can do that, then I think my emotion will come out. I’ve been putting lots of strength into the final step sequence, even in practice. First and foremost, this is the last competition of the season. Everything I have done up until now, everything I can do—I want to bring it all out.”

Yes, that’s it. We all know. If Mao Asada can “do all her jumps properly,” then she can skate an amazingly incredible “Bells.” It happened at the Japan National Championships. Mao Asada let us revel in the beauty of her skating, and those strong emotions she had kept hidden came gushing forth as if they burst from an underground spring. When she stoically did everything she was supposed to do, finally she allowed her emotions to erupt.

The stoic athlete, Mao Asada. We are proud of Mao Asada, who dares to do 3 triple axels in a single competition. But the “Mao-chan” who comes off the ice is a more human, more girl-like 19-year old with a brilliant smile. When she talks about skating, I always think it would be fine if she were more human-like, and freely told us her desires. After all, it’s “Mao-chan” who has continued to this point because she loved skating more than anyone, so it should be easier for her to do that than for anyone else.

*********

I do agree with Aoshima-san that Mao could definitely be a little more human-like, a little more greedy when she talks about skating. I, for one, would never criticize her if she said something like, "I just wish I could get more points for the triple axel!!" Very Happy

But at the same time, I am in awe of that "stoic determination." It's what makes Mao, Mao--that strange contrast between the sweetest, most adorable girl with the beaming smile, and the serious athlete with the steely soul. Love Hearts

I do think that Mao could bring out more of the sweet, adorable Mao out onto the ice though; as Aoshima-san points out, she loves skating more than anyone; she should show it! I love you

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:00 pm

Thanks Batsuchan

Batsuchan wrote:

Someone close to Mao said, “mastering her programs is homework for Mao,” and indeed, there is no better student. Even in her interview after the short program, she said, “My goal is to do both the short and free programs perfectly,” repeating her words from the day before as if she were reminding herself. Well then, Mao-chan, other than doing “both perfectly,” is there anything else you’d like to do? It was a casual question, but Mao was left speechless. And then, while giving a bewildered expression, she looked straight at me with a face that said, “I have to say something!,” and so the person who asked the question became uncomfortable.

"Actions speak louder than words."

Mao doesn't need any word about her performances, I think.
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:07 pm

Thanks for the wonderful translations, everyone! flower
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:55 am

Mao and Daisuke Press Conference (2010.3.30 / Houdou Station)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDR-yMUFzwU

Mao and Daisuke Interview (2010.3.31 / Mezamashi TV)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwvnLUBipIU
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:22 am

Thanks for all the wonderful translations, videos and pictures everyone! cheers

In reply to some of the posts:
- I would not call Mao's diet during the season an eating disorder- far from that!
- I don't think she was starving herself either- it seems like she was eating until she was full, but with a lot of vegetables and soup: ie. limiting fat and oil intake
- However, because of this, she did sacrifice eating a lot of what she wants to eat.
- In North America, a "normal" body fat percentage for women is about 20% - since women have more built in fat than men- for pregnancy etc.--> this is a generalization
- 7% is pretty low, but as some people mentioned, elite athletes can have pretty low fat%, although I do think that if they maintain that low fat%, even when they want to have children, it can affect pregnancy rate- female bodies do need fat
- Mao seems to alternate between this- and I think that later, when she does want to start a family, she would not be at this %
- "Side-effects" are warnings, but it doesn't mean that they happen for everyone, I think the post was meant to say that it may have some long-term effects, but since I think Mao only did this for 1 season (for her two 3A's), it shouldn't harm her too much.

- Weight is a bit different from body fat percentage: some people have low weight (ie. Asian people who are naturally skinny), but because they don't exercise, they may have a high fat %

It seems to me that Mao was at a healthy weight (50kg)- due to all the muscle she built up--> so this also adds to the point that she wasn't starving herself, otherwise she wouldn't gain all that muscle.
If she was starving herself, the protein in her body would start disappearing and would not give her muscle.

Again to reiterate what other people have said, I think that Mao has an excellent team around her (dietician, personal trainer), as well as her family. Her Mom and Mai seem to be very involved so they would prevent anything unhealthy for her.
I just wanted to clarify my original post- Mao was NOT experiencing an eating disorder or starving herself- she would not look the way she looks if she was and would not be at her current weight, but she was definitely limiting herself to foods that we take for granted.
I just think that she sacrificed more than what anyone else can imagine to be where she is today and to achieve her goals for this season.
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