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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:21 pm

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Can Mao still train with Shanetta even if TAT is no longer coaching her ?
I think Mao needs a coach. I hope she'll find someone ASAP.

I agree. She really needs a coach that will be with her all the time. Someone who can sit with her in K&C. Actually, I don't understand why Nakagubo can't be her head coach even if he coaches Akiko. Coaches can have more than one elite skater at one time. There's really something strange about Mao still not being able to find a coach after all this time. I think Pochinko may be right about Japanese coaches being wary of coaching Mao because of all the expectations for her next season. If that's the case, then I hope Mao can expand her search outside of Japan.


yeah, that sounds like the right thing to do Smile
Even knowing Mao doesn't want to be far from her family, maybe this is the only solution Yep, Sadly
I just really really wish she finds someone to guide her as soon as possible Cheering
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:04 pm

Thanks for explaining why Nagakubu couldn't really be Maos' coach mingming. Until I read what you said, I was wondering why he didn't just be her full time coach.

After hearing this news that Mao may not find a coach next season makes me have a little more suspicion that Tat (and/or Shaneta) may end up being her "unofficial" part time coach(s) next season. Like I've said before, since they are working with her on choreography, there will probably be some coaching going on as well. And if Mao really does not find a coach next season, I wouldn't be surprised at all if there are some extra sessions scheduled with Tat and Shaneta all throughout the season, in a situation actually kind of similar to this season. Then in between sessions with Tat, she may be scheduling extra sessions with Lori as well. She was a sub coach for someone last season (can't remember who. lol).

I also worry about Mao getting injured, but between Nagakubu, Tat, Shaneta, and Lori, hopefully she won't be on her own too much. She only had a coach part time last season. Maybe next season won't be so different? Again, just a possible scenario scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:36 pm

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If that's the case, then I hope Mao can expand her search outside of Japan.
This will create too much of a hassle though - am I the only person that finds this to be a bad idea? Having members of Team Mao spread all over the globe is far from an ideal situation, and that's exactly what will happen if a coach outside Japan (who we can pretty much guarantee will *not* relocate to Japan or Russia) will be considered as a "head" coach. And to be honest, I would think it's rather silly to go and look for a reputable foreign coach when Mao already has Tat as her adviser, Lori as one of her choreographers, Nagakubo as a tech coach, and Makino-san/Kokoro-san from Weider take care of fitness and nutrition. PochiPota mentioned it before, but the head coach would more or less be relegated to a supporting role.

I'd say its much better to have Shanetta or someone young like Takeshi fill in said supporting role. Yep!

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:32 pm

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If that's the case, then I hope Mao can expand her search outside of Japan.
This will create too much of a hassle though - am I the only person that finds this to be a bad idea? Having members of Team Mao spread all over the globe is far from an ideal situation, and that's exactly what will happen if a coach outside Japan (who we can pretty much guarantee will *not* relocate to Japan or Russia) will be considered as a "head" coach. And to be honest, I would think it's rather silly to go and look for a reputable foreign coach when Mao already has Tat as her adviser, Lori as one of her choreographers, Nagakubo as a tech coach, and Makino-san/Kokoro-san from Weider take care of fitness and nutrition. PochiPota mentioned it before, but the head coach would more or less be relegated to a supporting role.

I'd say its much better to have Shanetta or someone young like Takeshi fill in said supporting role. Yep!

I don't know if you could call it a supporting role, because the head coach is someone who will always be beside the skater. This is the person who is providing the most support for the skater. The person who is going to sit in Kiss and Cry. Even if the specific duties are relegated to others; it's still important to have one person to serve as a focal point. A team works best when there's a strong leader.
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:43 pm

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If that's the case, then I hope Mao can expand her search outside of Japan.
This will create too much of a hassle though - am I the only person that finds this to be a bad idea? Having members of Team Mao spread all over the globe is far from an ideal situation, and that's exactly what will happen if a coach outside Japan (who we can pretty much guarantee will *not* relocate to Japan or Russia) will be considered as a "head" coach. And to be honest, I would think it's rather silly to go and look for a reputable foreign coach when Mao already has Tat as her adviser, Lori as one of her choreographers, Nagakubo as a tech coach, and Makino-san/Kokoro-san from Weider take care of fitness and nutrition. PochiPota mentioned it before, but the head coach would more or less be relegated to a supporting role.

I'd say its much better to have Shanetta or someone young like Takeshi fill in said supporting role. Yep!

ITA. She can continue with Shanetta and Tat, a combination that was already working well, plus a jumping coach that's the only thing she needs to improve IMO.

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I don't know if you could call it a supporting role, because the head coach is someone who will always be beside the skater. This is the person who is providing the most support for the skater. The person who is going to sit in Kiss and Cry. Even if the specific duties are relegated to others; it's still important to have one person to serve as a focal point. A team works best when there's a strong leader.

Shanetta has been this person for a long time, and Mao seems ok with her.

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:59 pm

The problem with Shanetta is that she has always been TAT's assistant, which means she probably just carried out TAT's ideas and decisions. The head coach is supposed to be the person who has the final say in major decisions along with the skater. If Shanetta stays with Mao, it's like Star85 said, nothing really changes from now in terms of final decision making. I was really hoping that the status quo can be changed, so I will be disappointed if Mao ends up being coached part-time again. pale
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:15 pm

A COHERENT and organised coaching system is what I would like to see. I agree with the sentiment that Mao would benefit from a head coach who oversees all aspects of her training, as opposed to only having a group of coaches who specialise in their individual areas. A combination of head coach + team of specialists would be the best.

If Shanetta can fulfil that role of general overseer, then she can very well be the head coach. However, as Star85 and aoi88 have said, it was apparent from last season that Shanetta provided more of an assisting/support role rather than calling the final shots, as that was up to TAT. And like aoi88, I wouldn't like to see Mao only getting the benefit of being coached part-time.

I would like to see Mao have a coach who is by the sideboards and sits with her in K&C at all competitions. At the end of the day, having a full-time coach like that gives the impression of organisation, which not only benefits the skater, but influences the way the judges and general public view the skater and their team.
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:29 pm

Hmm...there must be some kind of misunderstanding here, because my previous post was mainly in response to a hypothetical situation of a foreign coach. scratch I just found it surprising that there's support for that idea since Mao being outside Japan will mean less time at Nagoya, which will naturally lead to less time working with Coach Nagakubo and have her jumps analyzed by the equipment at Chukyo University's ice rink. Then there's readjusting to a new environment and the foreign coach's teaching methods, arranging the folks at Weider to move in with Mao and a whole laundry list of other things

It's rather obvious, IMO, that should an experienced coach *in Japan* (or someone willing to move there) be assigned as Mao's main coach, he or she will be able to play a central role in leading Mao just fine. Faint2

ETA: I may have misquoted PochiPota in my previous post btw. My apologies. Sweatdrop

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If Shanetta can fulfil that role of general overseer, then she can very well be the head coach. However, as Star85 and aoi88 have said, it was apparent from last season that Shanetta provided more of an assisting/support role rather than calling the final shots, as that was up to TAT. And like aoi88, I wouldn't like to see Mao only getting the benefit of being coached part-time.
Tat was still under contract with the JSF as Mao's main coach back then so it's only natural that it would be her, not Shanetta, calling the final shots.

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:14 am

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Hmm...there must be some kind of misunderstanding here, because my previous post was mainly in response to a hypothetical situation of a foreign coach. scratch I just found it surprising that there's so much support for that idea since Mao being outside Japan will mean less time at Nagoya, which will mean less time to work with Coach Nagakubo and have her jumps analyzed by the equipment at the ice rinks at Chukyo University. Then there's readjusting to a new environment and the foreign coach's teaching methods, arranging the folks at Weider to move in with Mao and a whole laundry list of other things

It's rather obvious, IMO, that should an experienced Japanese coach (or more importantly, someone situated in Japan) be assigned as Mao's main coach, he or she will be able to play a central role in leading Mao. Faint2

I agree with clovera. Although sometimes I wish Mao would reconsider training overseas so she can widen her choice of coaches, I think it's kind of obvious that she's not going anywhere...at least not for next season.

I also think, all this coach searching difficulty for her shows one of the biggest problems Japan will have to face sooner or later. We are a country with some of the finest skaters in the world now, but we've relied a great deal on foreign coaches up till now, that we may not have coaches who have experienced tutoring top skaters in proportion. We have Sato and Nagakubo, but they're getting old. We seem to have pretty good coaches for juniors, but I'm not sure if they are capable of coaching in senior level. The same can be said for choreograhpers. JSF should start considering this seriously, and try to train future coaches and choreographers as well as skaters. We are not a developing country in the sport anymore. I find it such a shame that we don't have experienced coaches sending Mao offers here when she needs one. She would never have had such a hard time finding a coach like this if she were an American or Russian skater... Depressed Crying

Since I suspect there is no chance of Sato joining the team at this point, I really want Honda to go for it. I think he has potential for becoming a good coach as well as the fine skater he was. Though he may not have much experience with top skaters yet, he has to start somewhere. Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:16 am

A couple of you have said things about how you want someone to be there for Mao at competitions, and in kiss n cry. The times when Mao has NOT had a coach at these times has seemed to be when she has pulled herself together better than ever. Regardless of that, I still want her to have a coach. And as far as having a "head" coach, and someone to be in charge of everyone on team Mao, isn't Tat kind of filling that role right now as her head advisor? I wonder who will really be in charge the most when she does find a coach - the coach, or Tat scratch.... Tat is kind of embedded into all the aspects of Mao's career right now....

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:54 am

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If Shanetta can fulfil that role of general overseer, then she can very well be the head coach. However, as Star85 and aoi88 have said, it was apparent from last season that Shanetta provided more of an assisting/support role rather than calling the final shots, as that was up to TAT. And like aoi88, I wouldn't like to see Mao only getting the benefit of being coached part-time.
Tat was still under contract with the JSF as Mao's main coach back then so it's only natural that it would be her, not Shanetta, calling the final shots.

I'm not disputing Shanetta's ability as a head coach. Like I said, if Shanetta has the capacity to direct all areas of Mao's training, then she would fill the role of 'head coach' quite nicely, thus eliminating the problem of searching for an additional head coach on top of all the staff Mao has on her team right now.

And I guess, when you think about it, Shanetta was the one who was with Mao throughout all of last season, and therefore probably more involved with Mao's training than TAT was. So, even though it was TAT who was the 'official' decision maker last season, Shanetta could, theoretically, slip into that role, because she has a good grasp on all areas of Mao's training anyway.

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A couple of you have said things about how you want someone to be there for Mao at competitions, and in kiss n cry. The times when Mao has NOT had a coach at these times has seemed to be when she has pulled herself together better than ever. Regardless of that, I still want her to have a coach. And as far as having a "head" coach, and someone to be in charge of everyone on team Mao, isn't Tat kind of filling that role right now as her head advisor? I wonder who will really be in charge the most when she does find a coach - the coach, or Tat .... Tat is kind of embedded into all the aspects of Mao's career right now....

Mao does seem to cope remarkably (in fact, I would say extraordinarily) well without a head coach with her at competitions. At the same time, however, when things do go south (i.e. last season's Grand Prix), I think it's very important that Mao has her coach with her, because there is that element of accountability, as well as support.
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:25 am

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Mao's looking gorgeous! Wub
But uh, she looks so skinny here. Hmm. Just saying.

Anyway, about this coaching thing... I personally think that having a head coach would help Mao in the long run. But it's hard, and like everybody said, it seems like there aren't a lot of Japanese coaches who are up to the challenge. Her specialist team is already amazing, with Nagakubo, Lori and the Weider support team by her side. Hopefully, they can keep her healthy and free from injuries. Mao's not getting any younger, and therefore injuries would always be lurking around the corner!

TAT's special to Mao, and I wish she could continue being Mao's main coach, but circumstances make it hard for the both of them. It's good to know that there isn't any bitterness on both parties. We all know how much they love and respect each other! But even though I like TAT, Mao needs someone who can be by her side and support her at the times she needs it the most. Shanetta sometimes fulfills this role, maybe more than TAT in competitions, but still...

Well, I guess I'll just wish for the best. I'm sure Mao's a smart girl, and whatever her choices her, I'll just support her as a loyal Mao fan.
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:11 am

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Well, I guess I'll just wish for the best. I'm sure Mao's a smart girl, and whatever her choices her, I'll just support her as a loyal Mao fan.
Yep! All we can do is this!

http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/100621/spm1006210502000-n1.htm
According to this article, Mao herself asked Lori to choreograph her 'Leibestraum'!I love you
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:07 am

Ooh, that's cool! flower

I ran the article through the translator and Mao's Liebenstraum is apparently a piano piece? (if the translator's any accurate) It would be cool if that was the case, as I said before I prefer the piano version. I find the orchestra version a bit too monotonous and lacking the clearness and empty spaces of the piano version. It would work better for an EX number when there's less jumps and more time to bring out the life in the music with poses and facial expression, but as a LP I think it would be a bit too monotonous.

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:33 am

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Ooh, that's cool! flower

I ran the article through the translator and Mao's Liebenstraum is apparently a piano piece? (if the translator's any accurate) It would be cool if that was the case, as I said before I prefer the piano version. I find the orchestra version a bit too monotonous and lacking the clearness and empty spaces of the piano version. It would work better for an EX number when there's less jumps and more time to bring out the life in the music with poses and facial expression, but as a LP I think it would be a bit too monotonous.

Yes, the article says Liebestraum is a piano piece but I think it doesn't necessarily mean they have chosen the piano version. At least that's how I understood it.
I certainly hope they have though. I don't like the orchestra version at all! It's too slow and all the subtlety, feeling, mood...simply everything I like about that piece is completely ruined.
It sounds just like some cheap tearjerker film music.

I don't mean to offend anyone. I'm just extremely sensitive and opinionated when it comes to different versions and interpretations of my favorite classical pieces, so please bear with me.geekWink
And I'm certainly no expert so it's just my personal preference.

To me this is the ultimate Liebestraum and nothing else I've ever heard comes even close to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejXPcv9MS7s

Yeah, it's the Rubinstein link again. Sorry, I don't know how many times I've already posted it. Embarassed

I hope they've chosen something that sounds at least a little bit like that.

I'm really curious to see that program! It should suit Mao perfectly and I don't think it's another Nocturne.
The feeling of this piece is completely different, if they manage to bring it out.
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:42 pm

I hope they use the piano version too! The orchestral arrangement sounds too theatrical, and all those lovely deep, mellow notes from the original are lost when you add strings No
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:11 pm

Sorry, but I gotta disagree with you guys. I really hope she does NOT choose the piano version! I like the piano version, but I LOVE the orchestra version! I think it sounds fuller, has more dynamics, and is just plain more pretty, and entertaining. And even though it is fuller, and a bit more powerful, it's still a delicate sounding song, that is nothing near overpowering.

So I see I am the minority here, but I am keeping my fingers crossed that she chooses the orchestra version! cherry

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:11 pm

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Ooh, that's cool! flower

I ran the article through the translator and Mao's Liebenstraum is apparently a piano piece? (if the translator's any accurate) It would be cool if that was the case, as I said before I prefer the piano version. I find the orchestra version a bit too monotonous and lacking the clearness and empty spaces of the piano version. It would work better for an EX number when there's less jumps and more time to bring out the life in the music with poses and facial expression, but as a LP I think it would be a bit too monotonous.

Yes, the article says Liebestraum is a piano piece but I think it doesn't necessarily mean they have chosen the piano version. At least that's how I understood it.
Yes, the word 'piano' in the article is written just to explain what kind of music 'Leibestraum' is. So we don't know whether it's piano or ohchestra yet.
As a piano music fan, I also hope Mao use piano virsion.
I personally wish they chose Nobuyuki Tsujii's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6GXdWcl6i0
Rubinstein's is more romantic, but Nobuyuki Tsujii's is the best to me. Just my opinion. Smile And as for Rubinstein, I hope Mao use this for EX ballade No.1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6VxVmt6UOA(I think Yunamao posted this before.)
Oh, it's this weekend Mao's going to show new EX!Panic!
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:22 pm

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Oh, it's this weekend Mao's going to show new EX!Panic!

Confetti I think I'm starting to sound like a broken tape recorder going on about how EXCITED I am at Mao debuting a new program, but I gotta say it again...

EXCITEMENT!!! Cheering Boogie Cheering
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:34 pm

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Sorry, but I gotta disagree with you guys. I really hope she does NOT choose the piano version! I like the piano version, but I LOVE the orchestra version! I think it sounds fuller, has more dynamics, and is just plain more pretty, and entertaining. And even though it is fuller, and a bit more powerful, it's still a delicate sounding song, that is nothing near overpowering.

So I see I am the minority here, but I am keeping my fingers crossed that she chooses the orchestra version! cherry
I'm with you!!! cheers I absolutely love orchestra version! It has more power in it and sounds like a fairy tale Love
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:30 am

mingming wrote:

I hope Mao use this for EX ballade No.1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6VxVmt6UOA(I think Yunamao posted this before.)

Oh, yes! Swoon
I've always loved this piece and this is by far my favorite version.
I don't know why but I hadn't listened to it for a long time but suddenly started playing it again and again on my computer just a few days before Mao announced it as her new EX.
Must be some kind of telepathy! Very Happy

mingming wrote:

Oh, it's this weekend Mao's going to show new EX!Panic!


Can't wait!!! Woot!

This is off topic but it might be interesting for the piano fans here Very Happy :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M78NQE4uGm4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iYkpM_Rtkg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-NLrSRZkmE&feature=related

I completely agree with all his comments, especially that it shouldn't be exaggerated and pompous.

I think Mao is the perfect skater to express this music just right without exaggerations or making it overdramatic.

Looking forward!
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:52 am

HELLO

im very new here,but i have to post, im so excited not to doing it.
I simply love the three songs Mao selected for her new programs. one of the things i love the Most of her is her elegance, there is no one elegant as Mao on the rink, and i think this three songs can explode even more this part of Mao.

i have one cuestion, is it possible to whatch online the new exibition program? is that a show in Japan? is on saturday or sunday?
thaks a lot, and just imagine Mao skating this themes makes me fell so excited, i cant wait to see the real programs.
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:19 am

I was thinking... remember it was said that both Tat and Lori would choreograph Mao's EX? Maybe she'll have another one. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:57 am

awww she looks so cute Wub

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News- Post Olympics heading to the new season   Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:01 pm

Today's Sporto! has a timeslot dedicated to Mao (and other skaters?), so I'm hoping we'll get to see some backstage fluff or practice clips of some sort before the actual DOI broadcast. Razz

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