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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:57 pm

purplemaze wrote:
☆Genie wrote:
Mao Asada 浅田真央 「名古屋で輝け!氷上の星~NHK杯」
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN5H4l_CHAs&feature=recentf

BowbowDaijin wrote:
This clip from Sunday Sport is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjJZ12m_Xsg

Coach Sato trained Mao spinning and skating to make her jumps better.

Much thanks for the video links! Thank you!

Putting in my two cents on Mao's goals and plans this season (further on till Sochi).

Mao wanted to re-build and get back at least to her old jumping techniques back when she was still in her first few senior years, it'll take her time and would mean a long span of training, time, and work process.

I am confident and glad that she is in good hands under Sato.
Sato emphasises on speed, flow, beautiful basics, and fluid skating more than
anything, so Mao is in the right track. I've always admired Mao for her continuous
desire to further on improve her skating, and for aiming for perfection each and
every season.

Watching those two practice video clips, I ponder on a lot of things and can't
help but see 2 things: 1) Mao is really working hard now and says she haven't
felt her thighs and muscles hurt so much after that rigid skating training she's
been doing with Sato. Going round in circles skating, and practicing spinning
with more speed and faster rotations. Skating with flow and understanding the
connection of those two important factors to her jumps, to be able to make her
jumps more stronger and fluid from take-off to landing, with proper speed in
her rotations and smooth flow on her landings. 2) Mao really is determined and
her coach will surely help her in achieving her goals. I have faith in Sato now
and hopes that all these things he plans to teach and make Mao do will really
be fruitful for her improvement.

Just like what Honda San and Yaginuma San stated, it's brave enough being able to come up with that crucial decision to go back, and start from scratch all over again. What is even more amazing about Mao is her, doing it, the will to improve, and the intentions she has in overcoming the hardships she may encounter in the process. Unfortunately that also means Mao will have to work harder than she ever did. It would also mean I have to bear reading and hearing her critics attacks on her consistencies and strategies. (I get upset lately whenever I read figure skating blogs, and column news already attacking Mao's inconsistency and only have negative words for her will to correct and improve her jumps, after her performance in the last JO competition. More so it also irked me that critics spoke as if Mao, attempting a full arsenal of triples in one program is a no-no!) But never mind, I'm in this with Mao and expect not quite a lot of good things from her detractors, than them, praising her for all her efforts, what else is new? If it would mean Mao's success in the long run, I'd rather see her struggling now, than watch her cramming in Sochi Olympic year. It will surely be a tough road for her this time. She may need to struggle and suffer, but that is Mao, thats what she is, and what she aims for and what she wants. I believe Mao will reap wonderful things in the end, after all these. We just have to keep in our minds that "Nothing worthwhile ever came easy.", and put our faith in both Mao and her coach.

Go, Mao! Woot!



I love your description! I completely agree with you! I just hope everything will go well because she's already in her 20's, but I believe Mao is a different skater who ever touched the ice.
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:43 pm

purplemaze wrote:
☆Genie wrote:
Mao Asada 浅田真央 「名古屋で輝け!氷上の星~NHK杯」
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN5H4l_CHAs&feature=recentf

BowbowDaijin wrote:
This clip from Sunday Sport is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjJZ12m_Xsg

Coach Sato trained Mao spinning and skating to make her jumps better.

Much thanks for the video links! Thank you!

Putting in my two cents on Mao's goals and plans this season (further on till Sochi).

Mao wanted to re-build and get back at least to her old jumping techniques back when she was still in her first few senior years, it'll take her time and would mean a long span of training, time, and work process.

I am confident and glad that she is in good hands under Sato.
Sato emphasises on speed, flow, beautiful basics, and fluid skating more than
anything, so Mao is in the right track. I've always admired Mao for her continuous
desire to further on improve her skating, and for aiming for perfection each and
every season.

Watching those two practice video clips, I ponder on a lot of things and can't
help but see 2 things: 1) Mao is really working hard now and says she haven't
felt her thighs and muscles hurt so much after that rigid skating training she's
been doing with Sato. Going round in circles skating, and practicing spinning
with more speed and faster rotations. Skating with flow and understanding the
connection of those two important factors to her jumps, to be able to make her
jumps more stronger and fluid from take-off to landing, with proper speed in
her rotations and smooth flow on her landings. 2) Mao really is determined and
her coach will surely help her in achieving her goals. I have faith in Sato now
and hopes that all these things he plans to teach and make Mao do will really
be fruitful for her improvement.

Just like what Honda San and Yaginuma San stated, it's brave enough being able to come up with that crucial decision to go back, and start from scratch all over again. What is even more amazing about Mao is her, doing it, the will to improve, and the intentions she has in overcoming the hardships she may encounter in the process. Unfortunately that also means Mao will have to work harder than she ever did. It would also mean I have to bear reading and hearing her critics attacks on her consistencies and strategies. (I get upset lately whenever I read figure skating blogs, and column news already attacking Mao's inconsistency and only have negative words for her will to correct and improve her jumps, after her performance in the last JO competition. More so it also irked me that critics spoke as if Mao, attempting a full arsenal of triples in one program is a no-no!) But never mind, I'm in this with Mao and expect not quite a lot of good things from her detractors, than them, praising her for all her efforts, what else is new? If it would mean Mao's success in the long run, I'd rather see her struggling now, than watch her cramming in Sochi Olympic year. It will surely be a tough road for her this time. She may need to struggle and suffer, but that is Mao, thats what she is, and what she aims for and what she wants. I believe Mao will reap wonderful things in the end, after all these. We just have to keep in our minds that "Nothing worthwhile ever came easy.", and put our faith in both Mao and her coach.

Go, Mao! Woot!



Excellent Post !! I totally agree with you. Yep!

And lol to Polosatik! lol!

I think we all love Mao for the same reasons.
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:05 pm

Vids

Sunday Sport Part I and II

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIFR0Pf5trg&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIFR0Pf5trg&feature=player_embedded

Wow Yuzuru does a Layback Ina Bauer affraid

An interview with Mao, Miki and Kanako

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiV7K4PoiCo&feature=player_embedded

Want to know what she is saying Love Hearts
She looks pretty :DDD

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:10 pm

I'm quite thankful for all the pre-comp fluff and news clips we're getting. Razz

Boogie Just FOUR more days everyone!! Boogie

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:00 pm

Can someone translate please? Especially Mao's part?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiV7K4PoiCo

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:29 am

It is my first competition in 20 year-old and first season after Olympic.
Everything is like a new start so I want to skate with new feeling.

CLIP

To have a consistent program, my first aim is to clean up all jumps.

CLIP

Comparing jump in the past and in the present, sometimes I lost my
KIRE (edge work?) or flows. I knew about that. I want to bring back those
techniques. Someone told me that it is possible, so I will not change my
technique but bring back old technique. I want to bring back jumps like
those when I first participate in Grand Prix series in my 15 year-old.

CLIP (It's the year she first showed her triple Axel and won Grand Prix)

If I have a good edge work, I surely have good height. If it is possible to
bring back jump technique so it will be easier. I don't metan that I will
bring back now completely but I hope in the end if I can perform the best
as I wish I will be happy.

END

I'm not sure with the word KIRE, it may mean edge in both jump and
skating and step sequence. In Japanese, they use the word エッジ (edge)
too but only in Toepick Jump so I guess this will mean edge too.
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:07 am

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It is my first competition in 20 year-old and first season after Olympic.
Everything is like a new start so I want to skate with new feeling.

CLIP

To have a consistent program, my first aim is to clean up all jumps.

CLIP

Comparing jump in the past and in the present, sometimes I lost my
KIRE (edge work?) or flows. I knew about that. I want to bring back those
techniques. Someone told me that it is possible, so I will not change my
technique but bring back old technique. I want to bring back jumps like
those when I first participate in Grand Prix series in my 15 year-old.

CLIP (It's the year she first showed her triple Axel and won Grand Prix)

If I have a good edge work, I surely have good height. If it is possible to
bring back jump technique so it will be easier. I don't metan that I will
bring back now completely but I hope in the end if I can perform the best
as I wish I will be happy.

END

I'm not sure with the word KIRE, it may mean edge in both jump and
skating and step sequence. In Japanese, they use the word エッジ (edge)
too but only in Toepick Jump so I guess this will mean edge too.


Oh I hope so! It's because I heard 20's for a skater is hard! I hope Mao will be the exception!
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:38 am

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I'm not sure with the word KIRE, it may mean edge in both jump and
skating and step sequence. In Japanese, they use the word エッジ (edge)
too but only in Toepick Jump so I guess this will mean edge too.

I think she means something like "snap" by "KIRE". That's the only word I could think of...
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:00 am

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BowbowDaijin wrote:


I'm not sure with the word KIRE, it may mean edge in both jump and
skating and step sequence. In Japanese, they use the word エッジ (edge)
too but only in Toepick Jump so I guess this will mean edge too.

I think she means something like "snap" by "KIRE". That's the only word I could think of...
I also translated kire as snap a page before.

Japanese news clips have a tendency to report the same interview/fluff and broadcast them into several small segments (this is no different with the numerous videos that were recently uploaded), so some of you might want to look at some of the translations and clips that were provided in the previous pages too! Yep!

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:08 am

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SpecialK wrote:
BowbowDaijin wrote:


I'm not sure with the word KIRE, it may mean edge in both jump and
skating and step sequence. In Japanese, they use the word エッジ (edge)
too but only in Toepick Jump so I guess this will mean edge too.

I think she means something like "snap" by "KIRE". That's the only word I could think of...
I also translated kire as snap a page before.

Japanese news clips have a tendency to report the same interview/fluff and broadcast them into several small segments, so some of you might want to look at some of the translations and clips that were provided in the previous pages! Yep!

Thank you Clovera! I totally agree with you about Japanese media reporting same materials over and over Who, me? I am a little behind on reading the posts, so I must have missed your translation of the clip. I'm off to watch othe clips and posts now... Escape
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:40 am

BowbowDaijin wrote:
I'm not sure with the word KIRE, it may mean edge in both jump and
skating and step sequence. In Japanese, they use the word エッジ (edge)
too but only in Toepick Jump so I guess this will mean edge too.


scratch Some Japanese words can really become very difficult to translate in their exact meaning in English. I know because I encounter this a lot in my part-time job, translating files. Even if I already know what the certain Japanese word means as I hear it, I still somehow find it so hard to get the exact word to say it in English. the word kire is another common example. In Japanese language it is most likely used as a noun or an adjective next to a noun like in this case that Mao was mentioning in the video "jump no kire".

Both clovera and SpecialK were accurate in their translations of the word kire as snap. If we are to consult more in an English Thesaurus the word kire in Mao's words could also mean noun words such as ease, briskness, vigor or energy.
for example in the same meaning as it is used in the sentences below.

ie:
That song has a lot of snap.
The jump has lost it's snap or ease.
The briskness in her steps is lovely.
That move has a lot of vigor in it.
The energy in her Dance is impeccable.


Hope that helps.... flower

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:46 am

Thanks for that. I'm neither English native nor Japanese native.
Just only try to help someone to understand but I felt sad about
translation too because sometimes it is quite risky to make sbd
misunderstand too.

Sorry that I didn't try to read former translation and made it the
same term. I didn't read all.

Thanks for the word "SNAP". I cannot understand this word in
English though. Really difficult term, isn't it?

So to prevent misunderstanding, I will let the better translators
to translate for us.
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:15 pm

BowbowDaijin wrote:
Thanks for that. I'm neither English native nor Japanese native.
Just only try to help someone to understand but I felt sad about
translation too because sometimes it is quite risky to make sbd
misunderstand too.

Sorry that I didn't try to read former translation and made it the
same term. I didn't read all.

Thanks for the word "SNAP". I cannot understand this word in
English though. Really difficult term, isn't it?

So to prevent misunderstanding, I will let the better translators
to translate for us.

I'm a native Japanese speaker but I haven't had a chance to translate those wonderful clips, so I very much appreciate anyone who has taken the time to translate them. So please do not feel that you need to apologize! I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say we appreciate your work very much!

Thank you! Worship
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:52 pm

BowbowDaijin wrote:
Thanks for that. I'm neither English native nor Japanese native.
Just only try to help someone to understand but I felt sad about
translation too because sometimes it is quite risky to make sbd
misunderstand too.

Sorry that I didn't try to read former translation and made it the
same term. I didn't read all.

Thanks for the word "SNAP". I cannot understand this word in
English though. Really difficult term, isn't it?

So to prevent misunderstanding, I will let the better translators
to translate for us.

Smile You're welcome BowbowDaijin, but really no need to thank me, I just wrote those other synonyms for the word "kire" for more/better understanding for those none-Japanese speaker.
same intention that you have ~ "to help someone to understand." Smile

Worship Please don't apologize for anything, because I don't think you have done any wrong. Just because you have missed reading the earlier/former translation that has been posted prior to your translation, and didn't include it in yours, doesn't change the fact, that you took the extra mile of doing a good deed by taking your time out to translate it for other members to understand it. And honestly I must say that you did a good job on it. Missing one "teeny-bit" word could not be a reason for completely misunderstanding the whole message of Mao I think. Yep!

Now, about your question on the word "snap". Yes, i agree its kind of a difficult term especially for us none-Natives,
i googled it up yesterday and found 45 usage and meanings for the word itself Shocked Surprised .
I might have been confused confused at first glance, hadn't I already know what the Japanese word "kire" meant.


I sincerely hope this whole thing will not discourage you to try and translate for us again when you can. Because for me, there's no such thing as better or no better translation No . It's the kind thought, the sincere intention, the act itself that matters the most Love ,
of course accuracy is a MUST but hey, this place is not a justice court or a test in school, and nobody's perfect anyway Hell, no!
I am sure everyone in here appreciate your work, and I say, "me" included. And we are all here to help each other whenever we can, Aren't we?


Crying or Very sad I am very sorry also if what I wrote on my previous post made you even
sadder. Worship I didn't mean any offense, promise.

Cheer up okay flower , we are like brothers and sisters here so it's sad Sad
to have misunderstanding like this when it could have been really avoided.


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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:45 pm

OH I'm SO SORRY. I missed so much. /cries
I'm actually in Baltimore right now and I just came home from New York. I stayed in Japan for a short while and yeah, I'm pretty tired with all this travelling. I gotta get back to the Philippines next week too, so I'm a bit busy so I can't check the forum and all.
Anyway, I'm so excited with NHK Trophy. I'm actually having trouble sleeping, thinking of Mao's performance. I am sure she is a slow starter, but with Yuna out of the way, everyone is expecting too much from her. It's actually nerve-wracking~ Unconscious
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:16 pm

I was looking up Mao's profile on Wikipedia, and some idiot wrote Ty Hill instead of Mao's name on the 2010 worlds page. I'm guessing it was an obsessed Mao hater. Does anyone have a wikipedia account to rectify this?
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:24 pm

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I was looking up Mao's profile on Wikipedia, and some idiot wrote Ty Hill instead of Mao's name on the 2010 worlds page. I'm guessing it was an obsessed Mao hater. Does anyone have a wikipedia account to rectify this?
It's back to normal already. Very Happy

Whoever did it shouldn't have even bothered - Wiki records IPs and registered members can undo silly changes like this in an instant anyway. Who, me?

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:26 pm

Nice clovera! Thumbs up!
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:00 pm

An article with some quotes from the Japanese figure skating director, and some (what I think are) new quotes from Mao:

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/sports/news/20101025p2g00m0sp014000c.html

"Psychologically Mao is nowhere near where she should be yet and the same goes for practice" Like I said on the other thread, I suspected that her mental game had to have had something to do with her poor performance. It seemed like she had finally worked through the mental issues by the end of last season. I guess with all the new changes though, she's having some problems in that area again...

"The only thing on my mind is practice right now. I want to train as much as I can with my coach and keep chipping away," Asada said. "I spoke with my coach last night about this event and about training from now on and he said he was worried after my performance at the Japan Open, but a little more at ease having looked at the overall picture from this event and my practice. He said it will be hard but we can build things up."

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:18 pm

Thanks Star. I've never seen Mao so nervous before. No at Olympics,not at Worlds. Problems with fixing jumps, pressure, expectations all came together and she was looking like she didn't want to be there No
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:47 pm

the problem is it's not one big change but many, not only did she just start to learn a new jump technique, but mao has also included a 3 salcow and lutz, and a tripple tripple combination which she hasn't done for a long time. when that is said about the jumps, then the issue comes with that she hasn't practiced her programs that much neither with the choreographer nor with her coach, and that does also not help one build up confidence when you feel that you are intering a competition unprepared. and adding to that is that she was the favourite to win, and she had to perform not only in japan but in nagoya her hometown that had quite high expectation off her, without really thinking how her relearning her jump technique would affect her, and more then that her former coach was watching her, it probably felt wierd. when one think about the whole situation with the results and all. it was kinda unavoidable under these circumstances. there were to many changes and problems at the same time.

but I have to admit I was deeply shokked when I saw the results, I don't know if it's because I injoyed mao's skate the most, and didn't really care about all the other girls performance, or if it was because I didn't think to deeply about mao's bad circumstances, and actually didn't want to believe that she had trouble, because I so deeply wanted her to start the season the way she endet the last. I just hope that the next competition goes better and that she is more ready and mentally prepared for the next competition. not so much because I want her to win the gold medal, orbecause I don't believe that she will deliever at the end off this season but more because I have seen some very nasty comments from some crazy yuna fans and blogs.... and so on I just just want to prove them as soon as possible that eventhrogh mao may have struggled at this particular competition and maybe at the begining off the season, but she will always return in topform and no matterwhat her the circumstances are she will always be a threat at every competition she enters, so that they wouldn't dare to count mao out!!! and no matter how much I like kanako I don't think she will ever achieve what mao has done, and never get to her level...
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:25 pm

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"The only thing on my mind is practice right now. I want to train as much as I can with my coach and keep chipping away," Asada said. "I spoke with my coach last night about this event and about training from now on and he said he was worried after my performance at the Japan Open, but a little more at ease having looked at the overall picture from this event and my practice. He said it will be hard but we can build things up."

Hmmm...that's really interesting. I wonder what he means by that.
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:48 pm

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the problem is it's not one big change but many, not only did she just start to learn a new jump technique, but mao has also included a 3 salcow and lutz, and a tripple tripple combination which she hasn't done for a long time. when that is said about the jumps, then the issue comes with that she hasn't practiced her programs that much neither with the choreographer nor with her coach, and that does also not help one build up confidence when you feel that you are intering a competition unprepared. and adding to that is that she was the favourite to win, and she had to perform not only in japan but in nagoya her hometown that had quite high expectation off her, without really thinking how her relearning her jump technique would affect her, and more then that her former coach was watching her, it probably felt wierd. when one think about the whole situation with the results and all. it was kinda unavoidable under these circumstances. there were to many changes and problems at the same time.

Exactly. A lot of people just don't get it. Sad to say, they just think that Mao uses all these 'big changes' as her excuse for performing badly. I get so angry because they don't have any idea how hard it is for Mao! And they have no idea what Mao is like- she never makes any excuses! Mao always says that IT IS HER who needs to improve and that she needs to practice more, etc if she makes a bad performance. How can they talk so badly about a strong girl like that? Sad

But what I like about Mao is the fact that she's such a fighter. And there are highs and lows in everything and she can't always be at the top. No matter how many times she falls, she just gets back up again as if nothing happened and continues forward. So I'm still optimistic! I believe in Mao! Go go go!
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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:06 am

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PostSubject: Re: Mao News - The 2010-2011 Season!   Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:55 am

aoi88 wrote:

New article about Mao's coaching change.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/pjkwong/2010/10/asadas-struggles-show-perils-of-coaching-switch.html


hahaha did you read the first comment? this person clearly does not know anything about figure skate or about Mao . Such a fool
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